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Couple of questions
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Burning one Wrote:the number Kurt Aland gives does indeed take into consideration spelling variances, but it also takes into consideration actual differences in terms found between the Greek, so that a 0% difference cannot be reached. spelling differences between the Greek are prolific, as is changes in word order in sentences, but those are not as problematic as the actual differences between the contents of the varying texts. those are what are important, and when held up to the content of the Peshitta, spelling differences aside, there are only a few places where content differs.
Please accept my apologies for being unclear. As English is not my mother tongue, i sometimes express myself quite clumsy. The 0% referred to agreement, not disagreement. i will try to illustrate what i attempted to say.

Let's assume this to be a Chapter of a book:
1:1 The realisation of God's grace is a chief element to the obtaining of salvation.
1:2 Beginning at Calvary, the fire of the Gospel could not be extinguished.
1:3 God's grace can give salvation to everybody.

Now, the same "chapter" from a different source:
1:1 The realization of God's grace is a chief element to the obtaining of salvation.
1:2 Beginning at Calvary, the fire of the Gospel could not be obliterated.
1:3 God's grace will give salvation to everybody.

Now, exactly how much agreement there is, expressed in a percentage, depends on unit and method of measurement. For the above example, we could draw the following numbers:
There are 33 words, of which 32 agree in sense. This makes up for 96.97% agreement.
There are 33 words, of which 31 agree except for spelling variances. This makes up for 93.94% agreement.
There are 33 words, of which 30 agree exactly. This makes up for 90.91% agreement.

Also, we could say:
There are 3 verses, of which 2 agree in sense. This makes up for 66.66% agreement.
There are 3 verses, of which 1 agrees except for spelling variances. This makes up for 33.33% agreement.
There are 3 verses, of which 0 agree exactly. This makes up for 0.00% agreement.

Of course, the same can be done not only with words and verses, but also with chapters, and books (unit). Also, we could decide to measure not only spelling variances and sense, but also theological implications, errors in spelling, paragraphs, style, ... (method).

Seeing the numbers from Aland, and the ones you gave from the Peshitta, i kind of got the idea that there were different measures at hand, which makes the numbers unworthy of comparison, as Proverbs 20:10 says (Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.).

Still, i was able to comprehend that the Peshitta manuscripts are far more uniform than the Greek ones, irrespective of the exact numbers. And for that information i am, of course, thankful.

Burning one Wrote:between the Eastern and Western Peshitta, there are only a few actual differences of content. these are found in Acts 20:28, Hebrews 2:9, the story of the woman caught in adultery, and one other that i noticed in Hebrews, but don't recall the exact verse off the top of my head.
What about 1John 5:7-8?

Burning one Wrote:it would be the same for Paul, who was writing to both Jews and Gentiles who had taken the step in the "Jewish" direction in the first place to even be in a position to care about a Jewish Messiah.

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Yes, it does. i was originally referring to the greeting, which indicates Gentiles-only readers (Romans 1:13+14). But, of course, reading on, the letter also indicates Jewish readers (2:14+17 etc). This is also made clear in Acts 28. i realize my mistake.
About preaching in synagogues, you are obviously right about this too. Concerning author/audience, i still have some reservations concerning Luke's Gospel and the "western five" though.

ograabe Wrote:In The Text of the New Testament by the famous Greek scholars Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland (William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Second Edition, 1989), the number of seriously variant verses among the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament is carefully documented (page 29). They define seriously variant to be two or more major word differences.
So major word differences means different words, as opposed to different spelling?
ograabe Wrote:They found that 37.1% of the verses were significantly different among the Greek versions of the New Testament. Hence they found that 62.9% of the verses had less than two major differences. Among the Gospels the ratio is close to 50% of the verses that are signifcacntly different.
i am not trying to defend the Greek texts, but one also has to take into account that the way the Greek texts were copied varied greatly from the Aramaic, and that many of the texts available today were actually rejected copies (i am quite certain the Peshitta tradition would have destroyed such copies instantly) that were hidden away in monasteries for centuries. Many of these are, to my knowledge, clearly known to be bad copies, and should not be included in such a comparison.

i only say this, because i actually have access to a number of Greek manuscripts, and Aland's numbers don't seem to agree with what i can access (because copies that are certainly known to be corrupted are not available that much).

Thanks again for any answers.
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Couple of questions - by Andrej - 08-19-2010, 07:33 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Burning one - 08-20-2010, 12:51 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by konway87 - 08-20-2010, 02:37 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Jerry - 08-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Andrej - 08-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Aaron S - 08-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by judge - 08-24-2010, 02:02 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by distazo - 08-24-2010, 07:03 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by Burning one - 08-25-2010, 12:06 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by ograabe - 08-25-2010, 11:08 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by ograabe - 08-25-2010, 11:16 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by ograabe - 08-25-2010, 11:49 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Andrej - 08-27-2010, 10:46 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by ograabe - 08-28-2010, 10:06 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Burning one - 08-31-2010, 05:58 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by Andrej - 09-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by Burning one - 09-08-2010, 06:30 AM
Re: Couple of questions - by Andrej - 09-08-2010, 06:46 PM
Re: Couple of questions - by Andrej - 09-12-2010, 08:08 PM
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