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The "O" argument
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Shlama Dawid,

Oh, I didn't know you were responding to my faulty omega argument, as I never made one. I did present Chris Lancaster's notes on Rev. 1:8 in both of my translations, to which you must be referring. You also have permission to use my name when writing or referring to me.

Chris's note makes the point that the Greek Omega - "w" looks like the Estrangela letter "Tau", which he illustrates with graphics, and which I reproduce in my notes on Rev. 1:8. It may be that a Greek translator actually saw the Tau in an Aramaic ms. as a Greek Omega. I will attempt to illustrate this here, (using Peshitta.org fonts) as I believe there is even more evidence to support his contention than he presented.If you cannot view the fonts, I suggest you download all of them from the web site.
It is very difficult, if not impossible to show Chris's note graphics as they are in the book, so please excuse the following attempts. If you have my NT, you can see the graphics there.

[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]wt p0 pl0 [/font]="Alap also Tau"
A Greek Omega is w
If I simply remove a space after Alap, I get this:
[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]wt p0pl0 [/font] ="Alpha [also] Tau" by misreading 4th & 5th letters from the right; the 4th as a final Alap [A] to the word, Alpha, the first letter of the Greek Alphabet, and again as the 1st letter of "Ap", meaning "also". SInce Alpha is a Greek letter, the translator would expect the following letter to be Greek also, and therefore saw [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]w[/font][font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]t [/font][font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]p0pl0 [/font] - "Tau".
If the [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]wt[/font] are pushed together, they look more like Omega : w
This interpretation would also set a precedent for the three other references to Alpha and Omega in Revelation, no doubt translated by the same person. Double readings in Revelation are not infrequent- reading the same letters twice, once as one word and another time as another word, sometimes with different spacing. I have noted some of these elsewhere in Revelation. "Sharp" and "double" are found several times in Greek Rev., where the Crawford has only "sharp";
But the two words are very similar looking in Aramaic:
Ashuri Aramaic Script:
atpyrx-???Sharp???
atynyrt-???Double???
Estrangela Aramaic Script
[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]a0tpyrx[/font]-???Sharp???
[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]a0tynyrt[/font]-???Double???
The earliest Greek copy of Revelation is 3rd century, so its archetype may have been translated from Estrangela script Aramaic, though I believe it was probably translated from something more like Herodian or Ashuri Aramaic script. In the case of Rev. 1:8, the first word- "Alpha" was a misreading, combining the Alap from the word "Ap" to "Alap", making the Aramaic letter Alap into the Greek "Alpha", the "Omega" was then assumed as a matter of course, or simply conceptually translated as "Omega", the last Greek letter, from the "Tau", the last alphabetic Aramaic letter. Otherwise, we have Estrangela being translated here, and a Dead Sea Herodian script original being the most likely original elsewhere in Revelation. A case could be made for Estrangela being the original, but not as strong a case as for Herodian script, overall.

Blessings,

Dave
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Messages In This Thread
The "O" argument - by Dawid - 08-25-2009, 01:58 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by enarxe - 08-26-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 08-27-2009, 12:44 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Nimrod Warda - 08-27-2009, 03:42 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by enarxe - 08-27-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 08-28-2009, 12:49 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Christina - 08-29-2009, 02:26 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 08-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by gbausc - 09-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-11-2009, 09:41 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by gbausc - 09-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-13-2009, 02:26 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by gbausc - 09-13-2009, 08:55 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-14-2009, 05:53 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 07:44 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Thirdwoe - 09-15-2009, 12:48 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-17-2009, 02:42 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-17-2009, 02:51 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Thirdwoe - 09-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-19-2009, 07:09 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-19-2009, 07:12 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-19-2009, 07:26 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-20-2009, 01:41 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-20-2009, 01:42 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-20-2009, 01:48 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-21-2009, 04:49 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-21-2009, 05:02 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Christina - 09-21-2009, 08:54 AM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-21-2009, 10:24 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by Dawid - 09-21-2009, 10:36 PM
Re: The "O" argument - by judge - 09-22-2009, 09:32 AM

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