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Setting the record straight
#20
Shlama all--

Apparently the message hasn't gotten totally through yet. I will try one more time. I did not "avoid plagiarism by the narrowest of margins" because the works are PUBLIC DOMAIN. I don't know how many different ways I can say this. You can NOT plagiarize public domain works. It doesn't matter WHERE attribution of if it is given with public domain resources.

Is this clear? If not, see below:

YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU CANNOT PLAGIARIZE FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN.

Nevertheless, I went above and beyond in giving attribution, though I didn't have to. I did so to be open and honest, and as I answered each charge, the critics simply tried and failed to change tactics they were using against me. Let's review.

1) First, the accusation was I "plagiarized" Paul and Murdock. Then Paul explained that his work is not a translation, is available for free use by his own statement here and that I and others have assisted him with what is online. Murdock has been dead 150 years, and I have shown his work is NOT in copyright by the two most respected sources on public domain resources on the internet.

2) Then they said I plagiarized Lawrence Sheets, whom I never even heard of. Somehow it is okay for him to copy Paul's work as his own but I who actually helped Paul do the work (as opposed to someone Paul never even heard of either) but I am being deceptive? Look, that is inconsistent. If Bauscher is really concerned with Paul being plagiarized in spite of Paul's own testimony to the contrary, why isn't he attacking Sheets as well as me?

3) Then they said that I didn't give "attribution" which I didn't have to give, but nevertheless did give in hundreds of places, like the footnotes. (How about apologizing for getting this fact wrong?)

4) Then they said "OK, you gave attribution in the footnotes, but not in the Preface which is the proper place." First, again, there is NO LAW requiring WHERE I give attribution. Second, I did give attribution in the Preface, reproduced the two paragraphs. (How about apologizing for getting this fact wrong too?)

5) In addition, I have explained the definitions in the full rebuttal on Refiners FIre the terms:
a) MARI - Murdock-Roth-Younan.
b) The meaning of the sub title, " a compilation, annotation and translation".
c) That I have cross checked EVERY line in AENT against my own Aramaic understanding.
d) That even if Bauscher was correct, the fact is there are almost 400 pages of totally new features, essays, grammar guides, 1500 footnotes that are totally of my own creation, etc.
e) That the Aramaic text is itself carefully annotated (there's that word again) and checked against the 1905-20 Critical Edition with hundreds of places of major and minor variants cited. This is something that, BTW, Bauscher does NOT do. Bauscher would have you believe the Western Peshitto, the latest version of the Aramaic NT, is letter for letter identical to the autographs and divinely encoded.

"barely avoided plagiarism" my behind. How dare you?

PS--As for the bibliography issue, I didn't view that as being super critical only because all the sources are clearly listed up front and others as needed in the footnotes and essays. The overriding pattern seems to be confusion that only arises from not reading my posts here or the info I give in the AENT preface. I mean, I attribute Khabouris Codex, I atttribute the 1905-20 Critical Edition by BFBS, I attribute Murdock, I attribute Younan. When I want to contrast with Lamsa, Etheridge or anyone else, guess what, I say so.

If folks think on top of all this there needs to be a bibliography page as well, we will consider that. The proper place for that however is on AENT.org, or email Baruch at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@aent.org">info@aent.org</a><!-- e -->. That's a minor style point at best, and there is nothing wrong with the way the sources are listed in AENT. Again the important thing is that they ARE listed. Even the two main systems, MLA and Turabian, disagree often on how to do this, and the styles have changed quite a bit over the years.

I sincerely hope this is clear.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth


Messages In This Thread
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 07:30 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 04-30-2009, 05:08 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-01-2009, 05:18 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 01:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-02-2009, 10:47 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-02-2009, 07:39 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 05-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:52 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:45 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:58 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:48 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 03:46 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:21 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 04:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 07:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:42 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:19 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:42 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 07:11 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 07:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-05-2009, 02:30 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-05-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by enarxe - 05-06-2009, 12:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-06-2009, 02:57 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-06-2009, 05:33 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-13-2009, 09:44 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 03:12 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 09-14-2009, 06:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 09-14-2009, 11:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 03:33 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 07:02 PM

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