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Luke 24:1
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Shlama all--

I have let this thread go on long enough without commenting.

To me this matter is very simple. I assume that when dealing with the same precise instant in time or actual event, that no Gospel writer is wrong but that we should bring all the details together and compare them for clarity. I have been therefore absolutely astonished that no one seems to want to say, "Wait a minute! The point is not just Luke 24 or Matthew 28, or John 20, the point is what ALL OF THEM SAY, including the one I left out, Mark 16:2-9.

This is the bottom line:

16:2- b'shapra din b'khad b'shaba --literally at early morning/dawn while on the first (day) of the week.

Anyone who insists "day" must be there simply doesn't know Aramaic.

16:2b- kad d'nakh shemsha (while was rising the sun)

So the women are going to the tomb as the morning is "in dawn" and they set off moments earlier, "while still dark" in John 20:1. Now granted, it is possible to suggest that the woman may have (by this description thus far) may have gone to the tomb at dawn but the resurrection happened earlier that "day" meaning after Saturday sunset, which is by Jewish reckoning the beginning of the first day of the week.

That is why, in my opinion, we have Mark 16:9:

b'shapra din (at early morning/dawn while)
b'khad b'shaba (on the first [day] of the week)
QAM (he had risen)

The grammar here is unmistakeable. It is not just the women who came to an empty tomb at first day dawn (Bikurrim--BTW, the Firstfruits that Y'shua represents but that's another story), but HE ROSE AT FIRST DAY DAWN.

Now, admittedly, in the West there is a complication here with respect to the "long ending" of Mark 16:9-20, but the fact is that is only a Western problem. The Peshitta has always had the longer ending. And in spite of this, the vast majority of Christians and Nazarenes accept Mark 16:9 as Scripture. If someone doesn't then perhaps an argument can be made for another timeline, but my point is in Aramaic, Mark 16:9 is absolutely airtight and I don't think the Greek contradicts the Peshitta either.

Saturday evening is one thing--I deal with that as a possibility in Mari. But Satruday morning? From everything we know about both Greek and Aramaic, and admittedly gong through a prism of Aramaic primacy even if the Greek disagreed which it does not, such an idea is not just unlikely. It is impossible.

Don't believe me? Check these out:

09 And in the morning of the first day of the week, he arose; and he appeared first to Mary Magdalena, from whom he had cast out seven demons. (Murdock)

But in the morning of the first day of the week he arose, and was first seen by Mariam Magdalitha (Etheridge)

Now he rose early on the first day of the week (Lamsa)

Paul Younan translates this the same way I do, as does Bauscher. So that is 7 for 7. Anyone who says otherwise is either not coming from an Aramaic primacy standpoint or is not representing what the Aramaic says. People can believe whatever they want, but don't do so at the expense of the text.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth


Messages In This Thread
Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-14-2008, 02:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-14-2008, 04:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-15-2008, 01:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 02:04 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ForHisRenown - 12-15-2008, 02:43 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 04:35 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 06:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ograabe - 12-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 10:04 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 10:56 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 12:41 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 02:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 03:44 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 04:30 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 12:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 12-19-2008, 12:39 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 05:00 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:07 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 06:22 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:03 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by yaaqubyl - 12-19-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by enarxe - 12-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-20-2008, 05:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2008, 05:30 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 07:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 12:28 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-24-2008, 02:01 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:40 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-24-2008, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-28-2008, 10:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 AND Mark 16 - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-29-2008, 12:07 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 12:13 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 01:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-29-2008, 01:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-29-2008, 04:27 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-29-2008, 04:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Lars Lindgren - 12-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-30-2008, 03:54 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by abudar2000 - 12-30-2008, 10:59 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-28-2009, 02:11 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-29-2009, 02:25 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-31-2009, 02:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-31-2009, 11:29 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 02-02-2009, 09:14 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:46 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-03-2009, 01:51 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-26-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:20 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 02-26-2009, 05:12 PM

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