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If possible, translation please...
#1
Hello everyone!! My name is Mauro. I know, I know... you guys probably get "translation requests" constantly! I'm getting a tattoo on thursday on my ribcage and it's a really nice ribbon, I want it to read "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" in the western dialect of aramaic (which is what I've read was the language of Jesus, correcty if I'm wrong). I'm hoping also, that someone can tell me how to pronounce the words. I greatly appreciate everyone for taking the time to read this and any help that can potentially be offered. Thank you! God bless!

-Mauro
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Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am YHWH.

Can we have a look at this Scripture as well please....

I know that this may seem out of step with today???s culture and may look a bit prudish to add this here, but seeing that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, perhaps He still means what it says here and perhaps it still applies to His Children.

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Thirdwoe, I would have agreed with you for the longest, but keep in mind, the scripture forbidding marking of the flesh and destroying of the beard is in reference to MOURNING FOR THE DEAD. Shaving or getting a tattoo apart from rituals for dead ancestors are not forbidden. If you want to email me at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:rungold315@yahoo.com">rungold315@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> I can definitely give you a very convincing article which changed my stubborn views on this topic for some time. While godly modesty is obviously important, Im convinced there is nothign wrong with tatoos are shaving. Andrew agrees with this I"m sure, considering the fact that he is clean shaven and yet upholds the Torah.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecc.12:13
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Thanks for the info....Could you supply any instance through history among the Jewish people, where it was done...perhaps the Mishnah or the Talmud speaks of it being ok or not ok?

I have always been un-dogmatic about this practice among followers of Y'shua...I just wonder if God cares what we do to our bodies with these many piercing and ink markings all over. I find it a bit odd myself and wonder why it is so important to do so...what is the motivation behind it I wonder? I have never gotten either of this type thing done to myself and looks like I wont before I die....I'm 43 next year...I just dont see the use of it really.

My brother-in-law has them all over his arms, and they are filled with Biblical themes. He says it helps him in witnessing.....perhaps.

I don't tell anyone that they should not do it, but wonder if it is a good thing to do and if God cares at all...

Iv'e never felt lead of the Holy Spirit to do so at any rate...

blessings.

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graysketch23 Wrote:Hello everyone!! My name is Mauro. I know, I know... you guys probably get "translation requests" constantly! I'm getting a tattoo on thursday on my ribcage and it's a really nice ribbon, I want it to read "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" in the western dialect of aramaic (which is what I've read was the language of Jesus, correcty if I'm wrong). I'm hoping also, that someone can tell me how to pronounce the words. I greatly appreciate everyone for taking the time to read this and any help that can potentially be offered. Thank you! God bless!

-Mauro

Shlama Mauro,

Yip we get lot's of translation requests for tatoos, it's actually become a running joke here <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->. Since most of us are not supportive of tatoos, I'm gonna instead direct you to Steve Caruso's blog, contact him, he's the expert with Aramaic tatoos: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://aramaicdesigns.blogspot.com/">http://aramaicdesigns.blogspot.com/</a><!-- m -->

Hey akhan Paul, perhaps you should make a post to refer to Steve's blog for tatoo requests since we get so many of them.
Shalom, Shlama, Salaam & Yiasou.
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Good idea - Christina, I will make a "announcement" so people can direct their questions on tattoos there.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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I found the same with rungold315 when I went in search of the information. I got from my reading of it, I would imagine this applies today even in "remembrance" tatoos. Were to forget the dead, since they've passed on, morning for a week or so then accepting it in my understanding. Defies God and continues the morning in the least.

I personally don't care to get a tattoo, I'd rather not have an image set on my body. I'd rather stay safe of the law too.

I looked into piercings years ago too, and KJV takes it out oddly, I found it in the living and it is also in the Aramaic.

16:12 "I also put a ring in your nostril, earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head.
- Ezekiel 16:13 (Peshitta)

Out of the mouth of YHWH himself he's talking about giving nose rings, and ear rings to adorn us and make us beautiful.

I don't think its bad unless your intent is bad... but as everything else your can over do it.
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Nice one....hehe

And there is this one too...

Isa 49:14-16
But Zion said, "YHWH has forsaken me, and my Adoni has forgotten me."

(But YHWH saidSmile

"Can a woman forget her nursing child, and not have compassion on the son of her womb? Surely they may forget, yet I will not forget you. See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands; your walls are continually before Me."

it would seem that YHWH has the city of Jerusalem imprinted on the palms of His hands....but this is perhaps the Nail Holes themselves.

If yer gona tat, tat fer Y'shua I spose.... <!-- sHuh --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" /><!-- sHuh -->

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In Ezekiel 16, was not God referring to jerusalem as a bride, as a female. It does not mention anything about markings.
The other scriptures I remember are where the prophets of baal are cutting themselves(1kings 18-28). Which reminds me can anyone translate philippians 3:2-3, for me ? thank you.
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sean Wrote:In Ezekiel 16, was not God referring to jerusalem as a bride, as a female. It does not mention anything about markings.
The other scriptures I remember are where the prophets of baal are cutting themselves(1kings 18-28). Which reminds me can anyone translate philippians 3:2-3, for me ? thank you.

Shlama Akhi Sean:
To answer your question, unfortunately it would require that this thread cross into a theologically sensitive area. So, if you want to e-mail me or PM me, I'll be glad to answer your question privately, in order to maintain the integrity of the topic. The original topic was merely a request for a translation of "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit". (Luke 23:46) Although I don't condone tattoos for any reason, yet for Mauro's informational request I will quote the precise Aramaic Peshitta phrase of Yeshua's dying words on the cross. Both the UBS and the Khabouris are identical in the reading. One can be confident that this is precisely what Yeshua uttered just before he died on the cross for our sins.

My translation
"My Father in your hands I place my spirit."

[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]Yxwr 0n0 M0s Kydy0b Yb0[/font]

my meagre pronunciation
Abee wa'aydeekh soom na rookhi

Shlama,
Stephen Silver
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Stephen Silver Wrote:My translation
"My Father in your hands I place my spirit."

[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]Yxwr 0n0 M0s Kydy9b Yb0[/font]

my meagre pronunciation
Abee wa'aydeekh soom na rookhi

Shlama,
Stephen Silver
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Akhi Stephen, isn't "hand" written with an itinial alaph instead of a `e? So "[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]Yxwr 0n0 M0s Kydy0b Yb0[/font]"?

I would tend to pronounce that like "Avee, b'eedhaykh sA'em 'nA rookhee," with some variation: "v" could be "b" or even "w," "dh" (as in English "the") could be "d," the "kh" in "eedhaykh" is phonologically a "k," the "kh" in "rookhee" is usually harsher than the phonological "k" and tends to be pronounced like a deep "h" in certain dialects (including the modern Western Syriac dialect), and the lower-case "a" is like the English "fat" while upper-case "A" is like "father."

Anyway, it doesn't really matter because that's written in Eastern Aramaic (aka "Syriac," the language of the Peshitta). I don't know how different it is from the Western dialect Yeshua/Jesus would have spoken, but I'm sure they would've used the square (Hebrew) script instead of Estrangela.
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Shlama Akhi Karl:
The spelling was a typo. I've corrected it in my post. As for the pronunciation, as I said, "meagre". I defer to Paul Younan's pronunciation of the eastern Aramaic. Thanks for the correction.

Shlama,
Stephen
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rungold315 Wrote:Thirdwoe, I would have agreed with you for the longest, but keep in mind, the scripture forbidding marking of the flesh and destroying of the beard is in reference to MOURNING FOR THE DEAD. Shaving or getting a tattoo apart from rituals for dead ancestors are not forbidden.

Shlama rungold315,
Do you think king David would of had no problem with tattoos? Just something to think about.

I have something personal I'd like to share.
Once I wanted to tattoo myself with all kinds of 'holy' Aramaic words. I'm so glad I was talked out of it!
At the time I thought it would have shown how commited I was to God. But when I look back, I just realise I was looking for something which felt good and looked cool and was quick to achieve. Which I now think was actually quite shallow.
Now I've found there are other ways of feeling good which are more compatible with historical Christianity/Judaism. Learning liturgy, learning to read the Bible in the original. Learning to apply the principles in the Bible to my life and lifestyle each and every day. God loves you no matter what you do, sure! But just think to yourself, will this tattoo do for you what you want it to do?
If you want it to just look cool, sure some people will think it is.
But if you want it to be meaningful to your father in heaven, I think there are other ways which would be more meaningful to him.
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