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Who is Rev. David Bauscher?
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You said:

Quote:The only place in scripture that gives any clue that lashana is also a heavenly language is in I Corinthians 13:1. Here the phrase tongues of angels is interpreted to mean heavenly language. However, the word for angel is the same for messenger in it's generic form malakha. So the phrase could just as well be languages of messengers/diplomats. There is no solid evidence that speaking in tongues is referring to anything but known languages.

It could, but it does not. And there is absolutely solid evidence right here in the Holy Scriptures.

God, through His Apostle is teaching us that there is a difference between the two.... 1 Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels...."

If Angels here were just human Messengers/Diplomats as you imply, then what is the difference with them and Men. It would make no sense whatsoever if we used that logic.

If this Gift of The Holy Spirit of God were just the ability to speak a known Language of mankind, then the Scripture makes no sense when it says here in Mr. Bauschers translation: 1 Corinthians 14:2. "For whoever speaks in languages does not speak to men, but he is speaking to God, for no man understands what he speaks, but by The Spirit he speaks mysteries."

Now, it has been shown that Mr. Bauscher got it wrong there in his translation and if it were speaking of mere human lingo, then this verse makes completely no since whatsoever.

This is because it is talking about a Spiritual Language that is not learned or made up by man's mind.

And to build on that, look at another verse where Mr. Bauscher's translation has it wrong.

Same Chapter, verse 14. "For if I should pray in languages, my spirit is praying, but my understanding is unfruitful."

You can see here that the human mind hasn???t a clue what is being spoken when the spirit is praying because it is not a human Language being spoken.

The next verse really brings it home.

Again using Mr. Bauscher's translation of verse 15. "What therefore shall I do? I shall pray with my spirit, and I shall pray also with my understanding. I shall sing with my spirit, and I shall sing also with my understanding."

Again later in the Chapter The Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul says this: verse 19. "But in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also, than 10,000 words in languages.

Mr. Bauscher gets it wrong again here as well, not translating it as Tongues which it should be rendered. The Scripture clearly makes a difference here of a Language of the mind, from that of a spiritual Language that one uses to pray and worship God with that no man understands, not even the person themselves.


Q: When you were praying in Tongues for all those years, was your spirit praying or your mind? Did you pray sometimes in your normal Language say English and sometimes in Tongues?

I have seen people over the years believe they had the Gift of Tongues the Scripture is talking about here, only to learn later that they were just mimicking what they had heard from someone else....

That is not the Gift of The Holy Spirit.

It is rather a person wanting something so bad that they copy what they are hearing and oft times comes when someone is trying to get them to speak in Tongues up in front of a church group, while the pressure mounts to utter something....


You also said:

Quote:Given church history, is it credible that this latent gift of the Holy Spirit would not be known till the early 20th Century at the Azuza Street revival meetings? I spent three decades of my Christian life "speaking in tongues" and only came to a realization of the falsehood when I began to read the Peshitta New Testament. For the most part it's a harmless syllabic exercise of prayer but to follow the doctrine of tongues to the extent that the Pentecostal and charismatic churches have, leads to confusion. Been there, done that and got the T-shirt!!

I see that you are unaware of the Gift of the Holy Spirit down through the ages. You can easily do some research these days on the Internet and see the documented proof of the Gift of Tongues and other Gifts of the Holy Spirit never ending among Christians.

What happened in Topeka Kansans and Los Angeles was not the first time since the 1st Century, by a long shot.

As for what passes as the Holy Spirit of God in many Pentecostal and Charismatic groups out there, I agree that it is confusion...The Apostle Paul was addressing this very same thing to the Corinthian Christians here. They needed to get some sound teaching real bad.... and did.

Lets not throw the Baby out with the dirty bath water, lets just get rid of the polluted water. Amen
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Who is Rev. David Bauscher? - by Spyridon - 09-15-2008, 10:13 PM
Re: Who is Rev. David Bauscher? - by Thirdwoe - 09-15-2008, 10:54 PM
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