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COE Parish in London, UK
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Shlama Shamasha Paul,

I will be moving to London, UK in January and whould like to find a COE Parish to attend on Sundays do you know where I can find so info? Hey I'll grab any opportunity to hear some Aramaic & meet fellow Assyrians.

Thanks,
Christina.
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Shlama Khatan Christina,

There is one parish, St. Mary's, in London:

St. Mary's Church of the East
Westminster Rd, London, W7 3TU
Tel: 020 8567 1814

Send them all our greetings!

+Shamasha
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Thanks so much Paul <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin --> . I will save the contact details and will indeed greet them on your behalf.
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#4
Does anyone know and could tell if there are COE services in English or with English, in the London area?
I know I can call ... but maybe someone from the parish is reading this and could explain, I would appreciate it, or a PM if possible.

Shlama
Jerzy
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#5
shlama paul/christina/enarxe,

I am a shamasha (deacon) at the london parish of the assyrain church of the east. Please dont hesitate if you require any assistance to any questions.

Christina,

It would be a pleasure to meet you at our parish. Our morning prayer starts from 8am until 9.15am. Unfortunately not many people attend this service, and it usally just consists of the priests and deacons. This morning prayer is then followed by our holy mass which begins from 9.30am till about 11.15am.

Enarxe,

Our mass is mainly conducted in the classical syriac (aramaic) dialect of Edessa, with some prayers now translated into the modern syriac (aramaic) dialect spoken by assyrians of today. Please feel free to attend our parish, if you have taken baptism, then you are entitled to participate in the offering of the holy communion.

Paul,

Your greetings have been recieved! please extend our warmest greetings to your parish aswell <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

Younan
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younan Wrote:...Please feel free to attend our parish, if you have taken baptism, then you are entitled to participate in the offering of the holy communion.

Shlama Younan,

I was just found this discussion and was wondering. With the CoE Churches, if a non-Assyrian wants to attend or visit, but has been baptised in another Church, are they entitled to participate in communion. I just ask this because these days there is so much crossover and in recent years a lot of westerners, some of whom are Christian, have developed an increasing interest in Aramaic.

David R.

p.s. I think it's commendable that you have held onto your language and customs and haven't just thrown out all the liturgy to sing pop songs instead with flashing lights, which unfortunately some "Churches" have. I respect that heaps!
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dowidh Wrote:With the CoE Churches, if a non-Assyrian wants to attend or visit, but has been baptised in another Church, are they entitled to participate in communion. I just ask this because these days there is so much crossover and in recent years a lot of westerners, some of whom are Christian, have developed an increasing interest in Aramaic.

Shlama David,

In the CoE tradition, there is no condition on anyone attending as long as they have been baptized. It doesn't matter what branch of the Church they were baptized in. For instance, my wife is German and baptized in the Roman rite of the Catholic Church. They are all considered equal, and conversion is strictly forbidden as that would deny the concept of the One Church. So there is nothing to "convert" to.

There is a beginning portion of the service that non-baptized people are allowed to attend, which are the preparatory prayers and psalms....but right before we begin the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, the deacons get up and announce that those who are unbaptized should leave the sanctuary. The hearers then go and lock the doors and no one is allowed to enter after that point, in which the most holy part of the worship service begins.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Paul Younan Wrote:
dowidh Wrote:With the CoE Churches, if a non-Assyrian wants to attend or visit, but has been baptised in another Church, are they entitled to participate in communion. I just ask this because these days there is so much crossover and in recent years a lot of westerners, some of whom are Christian, have developed an increasing interest in Aramaic.

Shlama David,

In the CoE tradition, there is no condition on anyone attending as long as they have been baptized. It doesn't matter what branch of the Church they were baptized in. For instance, my wife is German and baptized in the Roman rite of the Catholic Church. They are all considered equal, and conversion is strictly forbidden as that would deny the concept of the One Church. So there is nothing to "convert" to.

There is a beginning portion of the service that non-baptized people are allowed to attend, which are the preparatory prayers and psalms....but right before we begin the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, the deacons get up and announce that those who are unbaptized should leave the sanctuary. The hearers then go and lock the doors and no one is allowed to enter after that point, in which the most holy part of the worship service begins.

Shlama Paul,

Thanks for your reply. I love that even though CoE has theological differences with other Churches that it still holds to the idea of there being one Church. There's something really precious about that I think. It's also quite a humble stance to take.
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younan Wrote:shlama paul/christina/enarxe,

I am a shamasha (deacon) at the london parish of the assyrain church of the east. Please dont hesitate if you require any assistance to any questions.

Christina,

It would be a pleasure to meet you at our parish. Our morning prayer starts from 8am until 9.15am. Unfortunately not many people attend this service, and it usally just consists of the priests and deacons. This morning prayer is then followed by our holy mass which begins from 9.30am till about 11.15am.

Shlama Younan,

Thank you for reply, and I'll definitely pay a visit to your parish sometime after I arrive in the UK, I'm getting more excited by the day <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

Paul Younan Wrote:In the CoE tradition, there is no condition on anyone attending as long as they have been baptized. It doesn't matter what branch of the Church they were baptized in. For instance, my wife is German and baptized in the Roman rite of the Catholic Church. They are all considered equal, and conversion is strictly forbidden as that would deny the concept of the One Church. So there is nothing to "convert" to.

This is really refreshing as most liturgical churches tend to insist that you be baptized in their church before you can partake in Holy Communion. And your reasoning is spot on, there is only one body of Mesheikha.
Shalom, Shlama, Salaam & Yiasou.
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younan Wrote:shlama paul/christina/enarxe,

I am a shamasha (deacon) at the london parish of the assyrain church of the east. Please dont hesitate if you require any assistance to any questions.
[..]

Enarxe,

Our mass is mainly conducted in the classical syriac (aramaic) dialect of Edessa, with some prayers now translated into the modern syriac (aramaic) dialect spoken by assyrians of today. Please feel free to attend our parish, if you have taken baptism, then you are entitled to participate in the offering of the holy communion.

Younan

Shlama shamasha Younan,

Thank you. Looks like I and my family would need to learn Qurbana Qadisha in Aramaic first to make it sensible and not a tourist-like visit. Should be doable, if some Roman Catholics can learn Latin just to take part in the "extraordianary" old rite latin mass (XVIth century revision, why do they call it traditional?), and if I could learn Church Slavonic in the past, then one can learn Aramaic to participate.
Just two more questions: 1) Where can I get the exact text? And 2) is the teaching/preaching in English or Modern Syriac?
Thank you again for responding, with wishes of peace and blessings to you and your parish.
Jerzy
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#11
Shlama Jerzy,

This book will quickly become your best friend:

http://www.aramaicbooks.com/product_info...cts_id=128

Following the liturgy in Aramaic is easy with the help of this book, which contains the original Aramaic, transliterated Aramaic, and English. Really easy to follow along (and understand what they're saying!)
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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#12
Thank you Paul. It has just become number one on me-little-shopping-list.
With peace and blessings, Jerzy
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