08-26-2008, 01:33 AM
Shlama to you Dave,
Your attitude is very unfortunate. I went out of my way to disagree respectfully with you. I was very sincere in sending blessing to you, your house and your family and your scholarship of which, I should point out, I have been more supportive of than many others here. I see I wasted my breath and that's sad, but trust me, you have not caused me an instant of discomfort--nor will you ever do so.
Everyone here is a witness to your venom and YHWH will judge between us. It is you who have ignored Scripture, as Akhan Paul has stated, who rose Y'shua up if YHWH died? Have you read Yochanan 10? Next time preacher I suggest you read 1 Cor 13:1-13 and just look at how fast and with how little provocation it took for you to lash out at me personally. Your behavior is shameful to the cloth and the cross. I may disagree with some aspects of Christianity but I have all the respect in the world for it or I would not have been baptized. Yeah bet you didn't know that did you? Baptized and circumcised.
I refuse to engage in any discussion with someone who is determined to call me names and send me to hell. I know Greek primacist preachers who have a better understanding of the saving grace of the Gospel than you do. I witiness to my people but I was saved and brought to Y'shua by a Gentile who has forgotten more about Christian love than you apparently know.
But I wouldn't mind your baseless name calling however if you had taken a moment to understand my view. Since you don't understand, you cannot counter it.
Let me say this now so you can keep your mouth shut: My position on Godhead is the same as the COE. Y'shua is YHWH/MarYah. Y'shua shares the same one undivided qnoma of YHWH. But Y'shua had a human occurrence-qnoma that was resurrected by his Father, as he said clearly in Yochanan 5:25-26. Y'shua has the full measure of YHWH dwelling with him --all attributes--but nevertheless there is a separation within him. Or did you not hear him say, "Not my will, but Your Will be done"? Or "I am nothing without my Father"? Or, "My Father is greater than I. My teaching is not my own, but Him who sent me"? Yes I am paraphrasing for speed but if you say those quotes are not essentially there than I sincerely feel for the flock that you lead.
You translated the same Scriptures I did and refuse to see this foundational truth. Shame on you! You have trampled the cause of Messiah under your feet. You think it's scary I have influence? You don't know me at all. Anyone who knows me knows I have NEVER sought popularity or influence--I don't even let anyone call me "rabbi" when they want to because of Matti 23:8. No what scares ME is that you call out hateful names and act like a rambunctious child and call yourself a preacher. You just couldn't wait for the slightest provocation to condemn me could you?
Translate this: ZIL GEMOR!
Shlama w'burkate--yes I still bless as I rebuke because MY MASTER commanded it. Where's your love preacher???
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Your attitude is very unfortunate. I went out of my way to disagree respectfully with you. I was very sincere in sending blessing to you, your house and your family and your scholarship of which, I should point out, I have been more supportive of than many others here. I see I wasted my breath and that's sad, but trust me, you have not caused me an instant of discomfort--nor will you ever do so.
Everyone here is a witness to your venom and YHWH will judge between us. It is you who have ignored Scripture, as Akhan Paul has stated, who rose Y'shua up if YHWH died? Have you read Yochanan 10? Next time preacher I suggest you read 1 Cor 13:1-13 and just look at how fast and with how little provocation it took for you to lash out at me personally. Your behavior is shameful to the cloth and the cross. I may disagree with some aspects of Christianity but I have all the respect in the world for it or I would not have been baptized. Yeah bet you didn't know that did you? Baptized and circumcised.
I refuse to engage in any discussion with someone who is determined to call me names and send me to hell. I know Greek primacist preachers who have a better understanding of the saving grace of the Gospel than you do. I witiness to my people but I was saved and brought to Y'shua by a Gentile who has forgotten more about Christian love than you apparently know.
But I wouldn't mind your baseless name calling however if you had taken a moment to understand my view. Since you don't understand, you cannot counter it.
Let me say this now so you can keep your mouth shut: My position on Godhead is the same as the COE. Y'shua is YHWH/MarYah. Y'shua shares the same one undivided qnoma of YHWH. But Y'shua had a human occurrence-qnoma that was resurrected by his Father, as he said clearly in Yochanan 5:25-26. Y'shua has the full measure of YHWH dwelling with him --all attributes--but nevertheless there is a separation within him. Or did you not hear him say, "Not my will, but Your Will be done"? Or "I am nothing without my Father"? Or, "My Father is greater than I. My teaching is not my own, but Him who sent me"? Yes I am paraphrasing for speed but if you say those quotes are not essentially there than I sincerely feel for the flock that you lead.
You translated the same Scriptures I did and refuse to see this foundational truth. Shame on you! You have trampled the cause of Messiah under your feet. You think it's scary I have influence? You don't know me at all. Anyone who knows me knows I have NEVER sought popularity or influence--I don't even let anyone call me "rabbi" when they want to because of Matti 23:8. No what scares ME is that you call out hateful names and act like a rambunctious child and call yourself a preacher. You just couldn't wait for the slightest provocation to condemn me could you?
Translate this: ZIL GEMOR!
Shlama w'burkate--yes I still bless as I rebuke because MY MASTER commanded it. Where's your love preacher???
Andrew Gabriel Roth