Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24

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Shlama Akhi Andrew,

Wow, have I touched a nerve in you, or what?

If you are accusing me of personal attacks against Stephen, please be specific and cite the offending words. I will not respond to general emotional accusations on your part.

You wrote:

Y'shua is talking to a RICH man and saying "How hard is it for you to enter the kingdom!" He doesn't say "impossible" and the fact is that Y'shua had several weathly followers.

Yeshua was not talking to a rich man. He was talking to His disciples about the rich man, and about rich men in general. I know this topic is theologically and emotionally loaded up front, so it is very difficult to appraise it objectively. The poor tend to take sides against the rich, and the rich tend to justify their wealth, and it seems to matter little exactly what our Lord said. Our biases are more important! But we all have these biases, don't we? I can immediately tell from your post what your bias is. Need I say it? No; it is plain for all to see.
It seems your bias has blinded you to the plain words of scripture in the passage being discussed.You wrote:

He doesn't say "impossible" and the fact is that Y'shua had several weathly followers.

But He did say "impossible" , and it is in each of the 3 Gospels which record this account. How did you miss that? Must I quote this again? It seems I must:
Matthew 19:24-26
24 ???And again I say to you that it is easier for
a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a
rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.???
25 But the disciples when they heard, they
were greatly amazed and they were saying,
???Who then can have life????
26 Yeshua gazed at them and he said to them,
???This is impossible with the children of men,
but everything is possible with God.??? -my translation

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, for men this is impossible; but for God everything is possible. -Lamsa
Mr 10:27 And Jesus looked on them again, and said to them: With men, this is impossible, but not with God ; for everything is possible with God.
-Murdock
And he said, Things impossible to men are possible to God. Luke 18:27 -Murdock

"Impossible to men" is the key phrase in the passage, whatever He means by "Gamla", which is always translated "Camel in other contexts in the NT.

You wrote:

If we have "camel" then it is IMPOSSIBLE and while with YHWH all things are possible...

Exactly the point He was making! Impossible with men is possible with God, which is the whole point about salvation. If you think you should not expect a miracle to get you into the Kingdom of Heaven, you are sadly mistaken, my brother! If you think you can unravel your way in, you are deceived. You cannot take a penny through the gate! All you can get through is----nothing! God must make you and me a new creature by His power within us; it takes a miracle.Salvation is of YHWH ! Jonah 2:9
Jonah had to go to Sheol to find that out. See Jonah 2:2

Luke 14:26-33
26 He that cometh to me, and hateth not his father and his mother, and his brothers and his sisters, and his wife and his children, and his own life also, cannot become a disciple to me.
27 And he that doth not take up his cross and come after me, cannot become a disciple to me.
28 For, which of you, wishing to build a tower, doth not first sit down and compute the expense, whether he have the means to complete it?
29 lest, when he hath laid the foundation, and is unable to finish, all that see it begin to deride him;
30 and say: This man began to build, and was unable to finish.
31 Or what king, that is going to contend in battle with his neighbor king, doth not first consider, whether he is able, with ten thousand, to meet him that is coming against him with twenty thousand?
32 and if not; while he is yet far from him, he sendeth envoys, and sueth for peace.
33 So every one of you who doth not give up all his possessions, cannot be my disciple -Murdock

Are these words not for us all today? If they are not, then I would care nothing for them. They would be mere ancient history. But these are the words of the Gospel of our God and Savior, Yeshua Maryah! How can we be His if we do not what He says?

What He said to the rich man, he says to all of us: "Go, sell all that you have, and give to the poor; and you will have a treasure in heaven; and come after me."

The Greek and the Aramaic agree on this point.


Grace from our Lord,

Dave