My God my God...

[Thirdwoe]

Brothers, lets try to settle this if we can.

We have some disagreement on this last part of the verse...as to what it says and what it means...so, I need to resolve this in my mind, maybe you do too...and if it can be, by examination of the Aramaic text, and the input of others who translate this verse from Aramaic into English, then I want to try.

I'm going to call on three Brothers here: Paul Yonan, Jeremy Springfield, and Steve Caruso, and ask them to please tell/show if Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, as well as Psalms 22:1 should read "for this I was spared", or "for this I was kept!" or "why have you spared me?", or "why have you forsaken me?" or "wherefore did you destine me?" or "why have you left me?" or as I propose, "for what did you leave me?"

And, please tell us if you think that Jesus is or might be quoting Psalm 22:1 with this statement, and why or why not.

Here are most of the translators of the Peshitta text I know of, on this last part of the verse, and how they show it should read.

Matthew 27:46
Murdock: "why hast thou forsaken me?"
Ehteridge: "why hast thou forsaken me?"
Smith: "why hast thou forsaken me?" (Sinaiticus Aramaic text)
Burkitt: "Wherefore hast thou left me?" (Curetonian Aramaic text)
Lamsa: "for this I was kept!" (online version) "for this I was spared" with note saying "this was my destiny" (Printed version)
The Way: "for what purpose have you spared me?"
Younan: "why have you spared me?"
Jhan: "Why forsake you me?"
Magiera: "why have you left me?"
Alexander: "l'mana sh'wik-thani?" online version with note saying "wherefore have you left me?" "Wherefore" implies destiny. "Sh'wik-thani" is the only correct transliteration, and it means "left me" in the sense of the purpose for which Eashoa was left on the cross. It absolutely does not mean "forsaken" in this usage.
Pashka: "why have you left me?"
Bauscher "why have you forsaken me?"
Roth: "Why have you spared me?" 1st edition notes has these two readings: "why are you sparing me?" or "why can't we finish this" as to the meaning Roth thinks. His whole note is too long to show here, but is pretty good to chew on.
Martin: "why have you spared Me??
Werner: "why have you left me?"

15 Translations Count:
"forsake" or "forsaken" =5
"spared" or "kept" =5
"left" =5

Mark 15:34
Murdock: "why hast thou forsaken me?"
Ehteridge: "why hast thou forsaken me?"
Smith: "why hast thou forsaken me?" (Sinaiticus Aramaic text)
Burkitt: "wherefore hast thou left me?" (Curetonian Aramaic text)
Lamsa: "for this I was spared!" (printed version) "for this I was spared!" (online version)
The Way International: "for what purpose have you spared me?"
Younan: "why have you spared me?"
Jhan: "why forsake you me?"
Magiera: "why have you left me?"
Alexander: "wherefore did you destine me?"
Pashka: "why have you left me?"
Bauscher: "why have you forsaken me?"
Roth: "Why have you spared me?"
Martin: "why have you spared me?"
Werner: "why have you left me?"

15 Translations Count:
"forsake" or "forsaken" =5
"spared" or "kept" =5
"left" =4
"destined" =1



.