10-24-2013, 12:03 AM
This is a continuing Thread. If need be, I'll find the references and earlier posts.
Younan: "...Eil eil lmana shawqthani That is "My God my God why have you spared me..."
Vic Alexander, with note: "34. And in the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and said, "Eil, Eil, l'mana sh'wik-thani." That is, "My God, my God,* wherefore did you destine me?"* "
*15:34.3 Lit. Aramaic: "Eil, Eil, l'mana sh'wik-thani." This is the correct transliteration of the original words of Jesus Christ in Galilean Aramaic. Other transliterations indicate the second and third generation transliterations from Arabic and the Greek versions."
Lamsa's version is intriguing for the following: "...few this was I spared..."
Did Lamsa mean ''...for this was I spared..."?
You ask if "Mock" could be from a "strained argument".
Consider this from Bauscher concerning the transliteration of "Gabbatha", found in John:
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For all of the high powered arguments about "Greek vs Aramaic" for this passage, this may be where the battle ends. I have advocated Paul Younan's translation in my work and Lamsa's may be the best fit (if "few" is replaced by "for". Somebody may be able to help me here). Many read the various Aramaics and scrunch up their noses at the sense of the passage but lemme tell ya', this is very close to a perfect fit. The "Transliterations" given - such as "Gabbatha" - appear to be leading certain readers (Hint: G-R-E-E-K) down the garden path.
"Mock" may be an indicator of a subcurrent of understanding. We've had 2000 years of "Did Jesus doubt God?" and it simply leads to a misunderstanding. The Romans certainly did "Mock". The Aramaic points to a different understanding. (BTW, thank you , PY)
CW
Younan: "...Eil eil lmana shawqthani That is "My God my God why have you spared me..."
Vic Alexander, with note: "34. And in the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and said, "Eil, Eil, l'mana sh'wik-thani." That is, "My God, my God,* wherefore did you destine me?"* "
*15:34.3 Lit. Aramaic: "Eil, Eil, l'mana sh'wik-thani." This is the correct transliteration of the original words of Jesus Christ in Galilean Aramaic. Other transliterations indicate the second and third generation transliterations from Arabic and the Greek versions."
Lamsa's version is intriguing for the following: "...few this was I spared..."
Did Lamsa mean ''...for this was I spared..."?
You ask if "Mock" could be from a "strained argument".
Consider this from Bauscher concerning the transliteration of "Gabbatha", found in John:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=p6hTI1rTxhkC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=bauscher+gabbatha&source=bl&ots=jQ8JWh4Kye&sig=cz2EkYFSi3h9pv7r-0ShVdbz6f8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xV1oUrKFJ8uMkAept4GQAg&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=bauscher%20gabbatha&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=p6hTI1 ... ha&f=false</a><!-- m -->
For all of the high powered arguments about "Greek vs Aramaic" for this passage, this may be where the battle ends. I have advocated Paul Younan's translation in my work and Lamsa's may be the best fit (if "few" is replaced by "for". Somebody may be able to help me here). Many read the various Aramaics and scrunch up their noses at the sense of the passage but lemme tell ya', this is very close to a perfect fit. The "Transliterations" given - such as "Gabbatha" - appear to be leading certain readers (Hint: G-R-E-E-K) down the garden path.
"Mock" may be an indicator of a subcurrent of understanding. We've had 2000 years of "Did Jesus doubt God?" and it simply leads to a misunderstanding. The Romans certainly did "Mock". The Aramaic points to a different understanding. (BTW, thank you , PY)
CW