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What's with the 'cross?'
#16
markt Wrote:Greetings brother in the precious name of Yeshua. My question was certainly quite 'unreferenced' and I should not have presumed that I was in a forum with other bible students. Because of the long (thousands of years) history involving the 'cross' in all the cultures and systems prior to Rome or indeed of Yeshua I was especially surprised to the use of the word 'cross in researched' literature as is the case with book I am currently reading "Ruach Qadim". The context of my 'thinking' was around Yeshua's words in Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, My people..." With the overwhelming evidence of the origins and uses of the wooden cross in time, especially it's roots in Babylon and then following in the many 'kingdoms' that were/are pagan. As a student of scripture (the Word encourages us to search things out), I am always gratified to learn something more which gives clarity to His word. For example, when reading Ruach Qadim, the many references to Aramaic 'thought' and their corelating 'idioms' have helped hugely in my understanding of scripture, i.e. Brit HaChadashah. In the context 'it doesn't matter', I refer you to Paul's warning 'if a man be ignorant...' I will readily agree, however, that we are entrusted with the beautiful 'evangel' and the glorious gift of salvation.
Shalom,
Mark

Dear Brother, note the following words in Revelation 18:4: "MY people" so, even while people were trapped in Babylon, God considered them as 'my people'.


So to continue with the 'fear' of some to acknowledge the cross instead of the stake, who cares? It was an execution! So, whether or not the Romans used a cross or a stake, Jesus was executed by the Serpent, who was behind this all.
Would the Snake (Satan, Revelation 12:9) have been thinking: "Well, since Jeshua is a holy man, I -will- have him executed on a stake, instead of a Pagan cross!"
No one could seriously hold the idea behind that.

Besides, the world is full of paganism and symbols. We live in a wold, which is ruled by Satan himself (Matthew 4). As long as we don't honour him, but we honour Jesus and the Father, we won't be punished, for instance, for using the word 'cross' instead of 'stake'.
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#17
Greetings brother in the precious name of Yeshua. My question was certainly quite 'unreferenced' and I should not have presumed that I was in a forum with other bible students. Because of the long (thousands of years) history involving the 'cross' in all the cultures and systems prior to Rome or indeed of Yeshua I was especially surprised to the use of the word 'cross in researched' literature as is the case with book I am currently reading "Ruach Qadim". The context of my 'thinking' was around Yeshua's words in Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, My people..." With the overwhelming evidence of the origins and uses of the wooden cross in time, especially it's roots in Babylon and then following in the many 'kingdoms' that were/are pagan. As a student of scripture (the Word encourages us to search things out), I am always gratified to learn something more which gives clarity to His word. For example, when reading Ruach Qadim, the many references to Aramaic 'thought' and their corelating 'idioms' have helped hugely in my understanding of scripture, i.e. Brit HaChadashah. In the context 'it doesn't matter', I refer you to Paul's warning 'if a man be ignorant...' I will readily agree, however, that we are entrusted with the beautiful 'evangel' and the glorious gift of salvation.
Shalom,
Mark
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#18
Shalom everyone. Can someone tell me how to 'reply' to individual messages? Seems I am not doing this correctly?

Mark
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#19
Greetings Andrew. Thanks for your reply to my question. When I read the 'reference' to this on page 69 'Ruach Qadim, Aramaic Origins of the NT', "therefore when Y'Shua was suffering on the cross,..." it immediately brought me to question the authenticity of statement. Was it a word translated from an Aramaic word? Did He really die on a cross? You see, for many years part of my study into His beautiful word has focussed on the 'pagan' origins and the 'syncretisms' of pagan ways in the context of Revelations 18:4. Andrew, you refer to 'Christian majority tradition', can you explain this to me?
Your statement about no wanting 'broach the subject because of theological restrictions' I do not understand but nevertheless I will respect.
Andrew, your 'exception to a broad based charged....' is absolutely refuted. I did not intend to rebuke or cast aspersions. Forgive me, I am sorry that you took it in this way. What I am finding in the reading of Ruach Qadim...(I am about to order 'The Path to Life', is pearls of wisdom and much enlightenment when reading from my Condordant Literal Version. I note that the Old Syriac is favoured over the Alexandrian and Vaticanus! Many of the Aramaic words that you have brought out do appear in this translation so it is helping hugely.
Anyway, thankyou for responding to my question. I did not think that I would hear from you.
Shalom from NZ
Mark
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#20
Greetings brother distazo, in the precious name of Yeshua. My question was certainly quite 'unreferenced' and I should not have presumed that I was in a forum with other bible students. Because of the long (thousands of years) history involving the 'cross' in all the cultures and systems prior to Rome or indeed of Yeshua I was especially surprised to the use of the word 'cross in researched' literature as is the case with book I am currently reading "Ruach Qadim". The context of my 'thinking' was around Yeshua's words in Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, My people..." With the overwhelming evidence of the origins and uses of the wooden cross in time, especially it's roots in Babylon and then following in the many 'kingdoms' that were/are pagan. As a student of scripture (the Word encourages us to search things out), I am always gratified to learn something more which gives clarity to His word. For example, when reading Ruach Qadim, the many references to Aramaic 'thought' and their corelating 'idioms' have helped hugely in my understanding of scripture, i.e. Brit HaChadashah. In the context 'it doesn't matter', I refer you to Paul's warning 'if a man be ignorant...' I will readily agree, however, that we are entrusted with the beautiful 'evangel' and the glorious gift of salvation.
Shalom,
Mark
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