Young Earth or Old Earth?

[gbausc]

Shlama Chuck,

I strongly believe that God created everything He made, instantaneously, but separately, on each day described. It says nowhere that He took a day to create plants, another day to create or make animals, etc..

As to Christ being brought forth in the beginning, you yourself quote Proverbs 8, which declares that Wisdom "was brought forth before the world began, before He made the Earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world." But the world (Owlam) had already begun in Genesis 1:3 , when He brought forth light.

God said: Hayah Owr! -Light be! This statement is more along the lines of a command for Light to come forth and appear upon the scene???

"Hayah" is used to command the firmament into existence and also the stars, sun and moon. Does that mean they already existed and were told to appear?
Besides, how can light exist and not shine? I agree that Yeshua is God of God and Light of Light, but I cannot believe He is the light brought forth in Genesis 1:3. Genesis 1:3 is describing events in time- Day one, after Heaven and earth were already created, hence the light is a temporal creation, not eternal Deity.

"Hayah" means, "exist", "be". If The Light is Christ, He is being created here. The Light is being brought into existence. You can't have it both ways.This smacks of Gnosticism to me.

No, Yeshua is not the owr light of Genesis 1:3 :"wamar Elohim hayah owr- And God said, let light exist!"".. Yeshua is Elohim -"God", who commanded the light to shine out of darkness. You are making Him the object of the sentence and command; I believe scripture states that He is the subject.

Of The Messiah, it is written:

and by him was created every thing that is in heaven and on earth, all that is seen and all that is unseen, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or sovereignties; every thing was through him, and was created by him:
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Colossians 1:16

"Elohim" in the Old Testament refers to the Godhead, and is always plural, referring properly to the three Persons :The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. God The Son cannot be separated from God His Father in any action or statement attributed to "Elohim". They are "Echad Elohim"- "One God".

I agree that Yeshua is The Light of the world and the brightness of God's glory. That does not mean He is the light of Gen. 1:3 any more than He is every light from every lit match ever struck. He is uncreated Eternal Light, as is Abba and Rukha d'Qoodsha. The translation you quote has him

"the first of His works",

which makes Him a mere creature. I strongly object to that translation and doctrine. If you believe He is Yahweh, you cannot believe He is "the first of His works."
"All things were made (properly, "existed", in Aramaic) by His hand, and without Him nothing exists that exists." John 1:3
If He were a created being, He would have had to create Himself, which is an absurdity.

Begotten-yes; Made- never!

I think perhaps Proverbs 8 has been misconstrued by some to teach that The Christ is the highest creature. Yes, He is The Wisdom of God, but can you conceive of a God before He had Wisdom? It is a contradiction and a chaotic notion.As long as God has been God, logically, He has had a Son Who is His Wisdom, Power and Righteousness!

There, after I said I would not argue about what the light of Gen. 1:3 is , I have argued for what it is not. It is not The LORD Messiah!

Peace and Grace,

Dave