03-14-2008, 04:51 PM
Shlama all--
As a Nazarene Jew, it should go without saying that I support Hebrews 4:8 as reading, at least in part, for the people of Elohim to keep a literal seventh day Shabbat. Here is the translation as it now appears:
9. For there remains a Shabbat for the people of Elohim.
I have though NO TROUBLE with the idea of having it also mean "to keep the Shabbat" and obviously I don't intend any reading as an endorsement of anti nomian theology.
And here are my footnotes as they currently stand. I may add to them though:
1269 Neither Aramaic nor Greek has ???Shabbat rest???; the word ???rest??? was added by replacement theologians in a bid to twist the Seventh Day Shabbat into a futuristic fulfillment. Paul teaches that the Kedoshim (Set Apart people) who enter into Shabbat here and now, are entering into the work of the Ruach haKodesh, but also towards the eternal Shabbat of the Olam Haba (World/Age to Come). Paul is writing to a Jewish audience; he need not explain the joy of Shabbat, but he magnifies haMishchah (the anointing) received on Shabbat that is a taste of the Olam Haba. The Ruach haKodesh (Shabbat Bride) in the Spirit of Mashiyach makes Shabbat a very special time. Because a person goes to church on Saturday does not necessarily indicate that they automatically enter into Shabbat. For some, ???Sabbath??? is a denominational or doctrinal theology, rather than weekly Set Apart time to wait on YHWH and His Mashiyach. The 4th Commandment to remember the Shabbat is from YHWH; the theology to NOT observe Shabbat originates with early Christo-Pagans who integrated Christian values into calendars that were based on sun worship. Theological attempts to use this verse to abolish Shabbat are founded on both pagan and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Notice that in Greek Bibles the term sabbatismos is sandwiched between the katapauo (vs <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> and katapausis (vs 10) which is a common Greek term for ???rest???. In reality Greek speakers have clarified the meaning of sabbatismos as the observance of Shabbat, see Justin, Dialogue with Trypho 23:3; Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses 30:2:2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitutions 2:36:2.
1270 While ???rest??? certainly has metaphoric attributes, it is clearly meant here as the very literal Seventh Day Shabbat. Paul says Shabbat was established from that Seventh Day of Creation when YHWH Himself rested, Genesis 2:2. Shabbat is extremely relevant to Netzari (Nazarenes) and ???Elohim fearing Gentiles???; it could not possibly have changed during this period or any other period, as Christian theologians posture. It was not the followers of Y???shua who changed the Day of rest from Shabbat to Sun-day, but Pagan philosophers skilled in syncretism who melded sun worship with early Roman based religio-political ???Christianity???. Jewish and Gentile followers of Y???shua are well acquainted with Isaiah 56:1-8; (verse 3-5 relates to Gentiles); Isaiah 59:8-21; Isaiah 66:22-24; Ezekiel 46:1-4; Isaiah 42:1-4. Shabbat is a rehearsal of the 7th millennium; it is a sign between YHWH and ALL His people both Jew and Gentile. Shabbat is a day which is commanded by YHWH that we cease from the mundane and enter into His rest in preparation for the Olam Haba. This letter from Rav Shaul was written for the benefit of Jewish followers of Mashiyach who were being enticed back into Rabbinical Judaism. Paul would most certainly not attempt to diminish the Seventh Day Shabbat to Jews who have Torah Consciousness. The 7th Day Shabbat is the 4th of the Aseret HaDibrot ???the Ten Commandments???, written by the finger of YHWH upon stone and transferred in Mashiyach to the hearts of His People!
I don't include this information as a way to encourage debate on theological beliefs that are very well esablished. Rather, I am including these notes to demonstrate that I am referring to the seventh day Shabbat as both a matter of present and future observance. I respect the theological differences that exist on this forum and normally would not get this specific at all, were it not for the fact that some were wondering what my actual view is on this verse and its proper interpretation, so I only mean to set the record straight, not launch into another thread about this as an arguing point.
Shlama w'burkate AND SHABBAT SHALOM
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
As a Nazarene Jew, it should go without saying that I support Hebrews 4:8 as reading, at least in part, for the people of Elohim to keep a literal seventh day Shabbat. Here is the translation as it now appears:
9. For there remains a Shabbat for the people of Elohim.
I have though NO TROUBLE with the idea of having it also mean "to keep the Shabbat" and obviously I don't intend any reading as an endorsement of anti nomian theology.
And here are my footnotes as they currently stand. I may add to them though:
1269 Neither Aramaic nor Greek has ???Shabbat rest???; the word ???rest??? was added by replacement theologians in a bid to twist the Seventh Day Shabbat into a futuristic fulfillment. Paul teaches that the Kedoshim (Set Apart people) who enter into Shabbat here and now, are entering into the work of the Ruach haKodesh, but also towards the eternal Shabbat of the Olam Haba (World/Age to Come). Paul is writing to a Jewish audience; he need not explain the joy of Shabbat, but he magnifies haMishchah (the anointing) received on Shabbat that is a taste of the Olam Haba. The Ruach haKodesh (Shabbat Bride) in the Spirit of Mashiyach makes Shabbat a very special time. Because a person goes to church on Saturday does not necessarily indicate that they automatically enter into Shabbat. For some, ???Sabbath??? is a denominational or doctrinal theology, rather than weekly Set Apart time to wait on YHWH and His Mashiyach. The 4th Commandment to remember the Shabbat is from YHWH; the theology to NOT observe Shabbat originates with early Christo-Pagans who integrated Christian values into calendars that were based on sun worship. Theological attempts to use this verse to abolish Shabbat are founded on both pagan and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Notice that in Greek Bibles the term sabbatismos is sandwiched between the katapauo (vs <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> and katapausis (vs 10) which is a common Greek term for ???rest???. In reality Greek speakers have clarified the meaning of sabbatismos as the observance of Shabbat, see Justin, Dialogue with Trypho 23:3; Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses 30:2:2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitutions 2:36:2.
1270 While ???rest??? certainly has metaphoric attributes, it is clearly meant here as the very literal Seventh Day Shabbat. Paul says Shabbat was established from that Seventh Day of Creation when YHWH Himself rested, Genesis 2:2. Shabbat is extremely relevant to Netzari (Nazarenes) and ???Elohim fearing Gentiles???; it could not possibly have changed during this period or any other period, as Christian theologians posture. It was not the followers of Y???shua who changed the Day of rest from Shabbat to Sun-day, but Pagan philosophers skilled in syncretism who melded sun worship with early Roman based religio-political ???Christianity???. Jewish and Gentile followers of Y???shua are well acquainted with Isaiah 56:1-8; (verse 3-5 relates to Gentiles); Isaiah 59:8-21; Isaiah 66:22-24; Ezekiel 46:1-4; Isaiah 42:1-4. Shabbat is a rehearsal of the 7th millennium; it is a sign between YHWH and ALL His people both Jew and Gentile. Shabbat is a day which is commanded by YHWH that we cease from the mundane and enter into His rest in preparation for the Olam Haba. This letter from Rav Shaul was written for the benefit of Jewish followers of Mashiyach who were being enticed back into Rabbinical Judaism. Paul would most certainly not attempt to diminish the Seventh Day Shabbat to Jews who have Torah Consciousness. The 7th Day Shabbat is the 4th of the Aseret HaDibrot ???the Ten Commandments???, written by the finger of YHWH upon stone and transferred in Mashiyach to the hearts of His People!
I don't include this information as a way to encourage debate on theological beliefs that are very well esablished. Rather, I am including these notes to demonstrate that I am referring to the seventh day Shabbat as both a matter of present and future observance. I respect the theological differences that exist on this forum and normally would not get this specific at all, were it not for the fact that some were wondering what my actual view is on this verse and its proper interpretation, so I only mean to set the record straight, not launch into another thread about this as an arguing point.
Shlama w'burkate AND SHABBAT SHALOM
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth