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It all started with Plan G
#16
Albion Wrote:But I thought that you might like to hear what one of the 'Plan G' "Reformers" actually said about the Syriac P'shitta himself.

Oh yeah, I was fully aware of all three of these snakes years before Plan G was revealed. I told akhan Dean Dana many times that I feared the day that Ashur Soro (formerly Mar Bawai) would become the Patriarch, and believe me he was being groomed for it. I knew the very day he took that chair he would have handed the CoE on a silver platter to Rome.

It's funny how they keep talking about "unity", which of course means only that you have to be in subjugation to Rome. Unity can't possibly mean that Rome reports to Babylon. Or that neither is subject to the other, but equals. Of course not.

There will always be fools within our community who fall for these types of tricks.

And if you would have only heard what Ashur Soro was saying publicly for the past two years, that it was never his intention to become "Catholic" or to start yet ANOTHER division, that this was all lies being propagated by his enemies. What a liar.

Personally, I say good riddance to Soro, Birnie and Grekoff. They belong elsewhere.
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#17
Dear Paul,

My dear Brother.

I beg you to revisit the past with me.

When I first became convinced that The Assyrian Church of the East was the real true survival of the original Nazarenes (or the first Jewish Christians) in 1989, I started borrowing every book that I could find about The Holy Apostolic and Catholic Assyrian Church of the East.

I borrowed so many books from our Public Library that the folks who worked at the Library asked me if I was "writing a book".

But you know the thing that I recall the most from those books?

Survival. The Assyrian COE was a Church THAT SURVIVED.

It survived what the Portugese Roman Catholics did in In India (in Kerala), it survived the Arab Muslim onslaught in it's own 'home port' of Iraq and Iran.

It hid the Holy Scriptures (the P'shitta NT) from those who would destroy even Christ's OWN WORDS, to where in India, there was only ONE COPY HIDDEN that actually SURVIVED.

But don't ya see my dear friend Paul, that the Scriptures DID SURVIVE and the Spirit of the Church cannot EVER be killed, only fools would think that the COE would die so easily!

Nor will it be immersed into Roman Catholicism because there ARE PEOPLE LIKE *YOU*.

Messiah lives within this ancient Church of the East, and they tried to kill Him once, and it didn't suceed THEN, and it WON'T suceed NOW!

I'm just on the outside looking IN.........but YOU, your on THE INSIDE of this ancient Assyrian Church of the East.

I can feel it in your writings, I can feel it when you get righteously upset, I can feel it when your proud of your heritage, YOUR A SURVIVOR TOO!!

And your right, these guys ARE "snakes", just as you said they are/were.

But what's a snake, to an Assyrian Eagle? ;-)

Don't let those evil men steal one more bit of your energy.

Your BETTER than THAT!

Shlama in Yeshua, your friend, Albion
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#18
Paul Younan Wrote:Wow, going back and reading Asahel Grant's book....nothing has changed, only dates and names. The Vatican won't stop until they've utterly destroyed this church. Since 1552 they've chipped away slowly, but relentlessly.

The activities among those Assyrians who are attempting "full communion" with Rome and the Chaldean Church are spitting in the face of our Martyrs, including His Holiness Patriarch Mar Eshai Shimun, of blessed memory, and everything that is holy.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be khrim (anathema)" - St. Paul.

I pray that God has mercy on their souls and give them true light so they return to the Faith of our Fathers and stand in unity for the Truth for which our Martyrs' blood has been spilled.
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#19
Akhay Albion and Yaaqub,

How fitting that on the 6th of last month, Mar Yosip Cathedral in San Jose, CA was re-consecrated (please watch the beautiful video below.) Note this service is required when an unclean thing desecrates the altar area. In the past, when the Turks or Kurds would slaughter villagers and defile the churches, this service would need to be performed to cleanse the church and altar area. This is how seriously we took the presence of the "abomination that causes desolation" for the last 2 years of his hijacking the church.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oquLxgLHN7E

Here is a translation: (full hymn can be found here: http://www.syriac-resources.com/audio/hy...rack08.ram )

Emar Li Edtha
Tell me, O Church

Ayka Sawya-Ath
Where do you desire

de'Awneekh Awneekh Awneekh
That I build you, I build you, I build you?

Awneekh Al Shemsha?
Shall I build you upon the Sun?

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

Da'amir, da'amir, da'amir
For it is written, for it is written, for it is written

Amir wa'Amir ba'Khthawe
It is written over and over in the Scriptures

d'Shemesha daken zaleekoh
That the Sun's rays will be extinguished

Emar Li Edtha
Tell me, O Church

Ayka Sawya-Ath
Where do you desire

de'Awneekh Awneekh Awneekh
That I build you, I build you, I build you?

Awneekh Al Sahra?
Shall I build you upon the Moon?

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

Da'amir, da'amir, da'amir
For it is written, for it is written, for it is written

Amir wa'Amir ba'Khthawe
It is written over and over in the Scriptures

d'Sahra la mkhawe nuhreh
That the Moon will no longer shine its light

Emar Li Edtha
Tell me, O Church

Ayka Sawya-Ath
Where do you desire

de'Awneekh Awneekh Awneekh
That I build you, I build you, I build you?

Awneekh Al Kokhwe?
Shall I build you upon the Stars?

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

La La, La La, La La
No no, no no, no no

Da'amir, da'amir, da'amir
For it is written, for it is written, for it is written

Amir wa'Amir ba'Khthawe
It is written over and over in the Scriptures

d'Kokhwe nathryn akh tarpe
That the Stars will fall like leaves

Emar Li Edtha
Tell me, O Church

Ayka Sawya-Ath
Where do you desire

de'Awneekh Awneekh Awneekh
That I build you, I build you, I build you?

Awneekh Al Shua(*)?
Shall I build you upon the Rock(*)?

En en, en en, en en
Yes yes, yes yes, yes yes

En en, en en, en en
Yes yes, yes yes, yes yes

Da'amir, da'amir, da'amir
For it is written, for it is written, for it is written

Amir wa'Amir ba'Khthawe
It is written over and over in the Scriptures

d'Al Shua(*) Awnee l'Edtha
That upon the Rock(*) I shall build my Church


(*) - rather than the more common Aramaic word for "Rock" ("Keepa"), the ancient hymnist employed the less common "Shua", as a possible wordplay with "Yeshua" (Jesus).
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#20
Albion Wrote:these guys ARE "snakes", just as you said they are/were.... Don't let those evil men steal one more bit of your energy.

Amen!

"Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How will you escape the condemnation of Gehenna?" - Mattai 23:33.

"Depart! Depart! Leave from there! You, do not touch the impure things. Leave from the midst of her! Purify those that carry the utensils of MarYah." Isaiah 52:11; 2 Corinthians 6:17.
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#21
Plaintiffs:
Attorneys, Tony J. Tanke, Frank R. Ubhaus, and Robert Oushalem represent THE HOLY SYNOD OF THE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST, HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST ??? DIOCESE OF WESTERN CALIFORNIA, and HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST ??? ST. GEORGE PARISH (CERES, CALIFORNIA)

vs

Defendants:
CLAYTON & McEVOY, a professional law corporation, ASHUR B. SORO, an individual, WILLIAM B. CLAYTON, JR. an individual, INTERBAY FUNDING, LLC, a Delaware Limited Partnership/Limited Liability Company, BAYVIEW LOAN SERVICING, LLC, a Delaware Limited Liability Company, and DOES 1-50,

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FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION

[Constructive Trust???Against Clayton and Soro]

17. Plaintiffs incorporate herein by reference as though fully set forth each and every allegation contained in paragraphs 1 through 60, inclusive.

18. Existence of a Res. The res consists of the properties and assets held by the Church???s diocesan corporations, Western California and St. George Parish, in trust for the benefit of the Church, including without limitation: (1) sums paid to and received by Clayton as unauthorized attorney fees; (2) unexpended proceeds of a loan of approximately $737,100.00 purportedly entered into by Soro on behalf of Western California, without authority; and (3) other property and assets that, on information and belief, were misappropriated by Soro, Clayton, and others.

19. Plaintiffs??? Right to the Res. Plaintiff-corporations Western California and St. George Parish are legally entitled to retain their properties and assets, held in trust for the benefit of the Church, without the unauthorized and wrongful dissipation of such assets caused by Clayton and Soro.

20. Wrongful Acquisition or Detention of the Res. Plaintiffs are informed and believe, and on that basis allege, that Defendants wrongfully acquired, and continue to detain, the assets of Western California and St. George Parish in violation of fiduciary duties owed to these corporations, and that Defendants have wrongfully withheld such assets for their own use and benefit. At all material times, a confidential relationship existed between Plaintiffs and Defendants in that Clayton acted in the capacity of attorney for Western California and St. George Parish. Plaintiffs were entitled to rely upon the integrity of, and reposed trust and confidence in Clayton. Clayton breached fiduciary duties owed to these corporations by virtue of his unauthorized representation, simultaneous representation of a party directly adverse to Plaintiffs in the same lawsuit, and participation in Soro???s breach of fiduciary duty owed to both the Church and the diocesan corporations.

21. Additionally, because Soro, as fiduciary of both the Church and the diocesan corporations, Western California and St. George Parish, wrongfully transferred corporate assets to Clayton, a third party who took such assets with actual knowledge of Soro???s breach of fiduciary duty, Clayton is chargeable as constructive trustee of the assets so received. Clayton accepted payment from the assets of the Church???s corporations with actual knowledge of the facts which rendered Soro an agent and trustee of the Church. From the start, Clayton had actual knowledge of all the facts establishing that such assets were impressed with a trust for the benefit of the Church, and that Soro transferred such assets in breach of that trust.

22. Plaintiffs further believe, and on that basis allege, that Defendants acquired property and things using assets of Western California and St. George Parish, and that Defendants have wrongfully withheld such property and things for their own use and benefit. The property and things so withheld are of a nature and kind presently unknown to Plaintiffs, but plaintiffs will provide a description of them which will be inserted by appropriate amendment at the time of trial or when the same has been ascertained.

23. By virtue of Defendants??? violations of the relationship of trust and confidence then existing between Plaintiffs and Defendants, as well as Defendants??? knowing participation in Soro???s breach of fiduciary duty, Defendants hold all such assets, property, and things as constructive trustee for the benefit of Western California and St. George Parish.

24. Plaintiffs seek the imposition of a constructive trust upon any and all assets wrongfully acquired by Defendants in breach of fiduciary duties owed to Plaintiffs, as well as any and all property, or right to property, acquired by Defendants with the proceeds of such assets.

FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION

[Conversion???Against Clayton]

25. Plaintiffs incorporate herein by reference as though fully set forth each and every allegation contained in paragraphs 1 through 68, inclusive.

26. Ownership or Right to Possession. Plaintiffs, Western California and St. George Parish, own and have the exclusive right to possess all corporate assets which Clayton wrongfully caused to be transferred from these corporations, including: (1) cash misappropriated by Clayton in the approximate amount of $790,000; (2) the proceeds of an approximately $737,100.00 loan taken out without authority on behalf of Western California; and (3) any other assets.

27. Defendant???s Wrongful Act. Clayton wrongfully caused the assets of Western California and St. George Parish to be transferred, and accepted such assets, without corporate authorization, in payment for his unauthorized representation of Western California and St. George Parish, in violation of fiduciary duties owed to his assumed clients, and in knowing participation in Soro???s breach of fiduciary duties owed to these corporations.

28. Specific Sums Capable of Identification. The amount of assets converted by Clayton is a specific sum capable of identification because Clayton misappropriated specific funds held by the plaintiff-corporations in trust for the benefit of the Church. Clayton wrongfully took specific funds held in trust for the benefit of the Church, not only to pay for his unauthorized representation of the plaintiff-corporations, but also to pay for the attorney???s fees of Soro, the Church???s trustee.

29. The number and amount of payments made by the plaintiff-corporations to Clayton is ascertainable, but subject to accounting. Plaintiffs are informed and believe, and on that basis allege, that on or about the following dates the following unauthorized payments were made from the Church???s diocesan corporations to Clayton in connection with his unauthorized and improper representation:

22. November 28, 2005: $ 50,000.00
23. March 31, 2006: $ 63,947.99
24. May 2, 2006: $ 24,052.89
25. October 16, 2006: $ 27,296.24
26. November 10, 2006: $ 10,896.75
27. February 20, 2007: $ 17,351.89
28. March 21, 2007: $ 50,000.00
29. April 2, 2007: $ 5,920.39
30. May 8, 2007: $ 29,585.34
31. May 23, 2007: $ 30,768.02
32. July 1, 2007: $ 100,000.00
33. July 3, 2007: $ 19,908.18
34. July 6, 2007: $ 76,762.64
35. July 9, 2007: $ 54,001.40
36. August 1, 2007: $ 72,629.25
37. September 5, 2007: $ 52,285.55
38. October 10, 2007: $ 58,068.27
39. October 24, 2007 $50,000.00


The actual amounts and circumstances of unauthorized payments are presently unknown, subject to accounting, and will be shown by proof.

30. Plaintiffs are informed and believe, and on that basis allege, that Clayton has converted an amount in excess of $790,000, less such amounts as Clayton has returned to the Church prior to the filing of this First Amended Complaint. If additional unauthorized payments are discovered, Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to reflect the total amount of the assets wrongfully converted by Clayton. In any event, the total amount of such conversion is a specific sum, readily capable of identification.

31. Damages. Clayton???s wrongful and substantial interference in Plaintiffs??? possession of corporate assets has caused damage to Plaintiffs in a specific and identifiable sum, subject to proof, currently estimated by Plaintiffs to be in excess of $790,000.

SIXTH CAUSE OF ACTION

[Money Had and Received???Against Clayton]

32. Plaintiffs incorporate herein by reference as though fully set forth each and every allegation contained in paragraphs 1 through 75, inclusive.

33. Defendant Clayton is indebted to plaintiffs in the amount of $790,000 or according to proof for money had and received by defendant for the use and benefit of plaintiffs. Wherefore, plaintiffs pray for recovery of said amount from defendant Clayton.

SEVENTH CAUSE OF ACTION

[Money Paid???Against Clayton]

34. Plaintiffs incorporate herein by reference as though fully set forth each and every allegation contained in paragraphs 1 through 77, inclusive.

35. Defendant Clayton is indebted to plaintiffs in the sum of $790,000 or according to proof for money paid, laid out, and expended to or for defendant at defendant???s special instance and request. Wherefore, plaintiffs pray for recovery of said amount from defendant Clayton.

EIGHTH CAUSE OF ACTION

[Unjust Enrichment???Against Clayton]

36. Plaintiffs incorporate herein by reference as though fully set forth each and every allegation contained in paragraphs 1 through 79, inclusive.

37. Defendant Clayton has been unjustly enriched by the appropriation of sums belonging to plaintiffs and plaintiffs are entitled to restitution in the sum of $790,000 or according to proof.
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#22
Akhay,

Please watch the video below and read the link from the Catholic News Agency

Summary Translation of the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKT4vHtrPVw

"How can I turn anyone Catholic, if I could not even prevent you (the Synod of the CoE) from expelling me? ..... Come, let me answer what they are saying: I will not make anyone a Papaya (follower of the Pope)"

Now, read this:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12844

A shameless liar. That's all.

Please, Roman Catholic Church, keep him to yourselves and away from our churches. We see the fruition of his "Plan G" now.

+Shamasha Paul
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#23
More "denying" of the allegations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7l2FsHa7Rs&feature=user

Liar!
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#24
More propoganda from one of his mouthpieces, Albert Kiryakos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2yElgisvM&feature=user

For those who understand Neo-Aramaic, it's very humorous how vehemently this nincompoop was swearing up and down that this former bishop had no intentions of converting us to Papism. He was even waiving around a hand-written, signed document from his Disgrace swearing he had no intentions of becoming a Catholic.

What kind of stoopidity is this? Anyone who read the G document knew this was coming.....
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#25
Incredible letter written by Mr. Warda of Greensboro, S.C., addressed to the former bishop:

Quote:July, 2008

To: Ex-bishop Ashur Soro (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:feedback@marbawai.com">feedback@marbawai.com</a><!-- e -->),
cc: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@terrasanta.net">info@terrasanta.net</a><!-- e -->; <!-- e --><a href="mailto:news@catholicna.com">news@catholicna.com</a><!-- e -->; <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.betnahrain.org/bbs">http://www.betnahrain.org/bbs</a><!-- m --> (Bet-Nahrain Forum)

Subject: Perpetual Deception

It is with the greatest disappointment that I am writing this letter to you. Since you continue to make deceptive statements on various websites (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.kaldaya.net/2008/DailyNews/06/June06_08_E1_MARBAWAI.html">http://www.kaldaya.net/2008/DailyNews/0 ... BAWAI.html</a><!-- m --> , <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.theholylandreview.net/holyland/att_det.jsp?wi_number=940&wi_codseq">http://www.theholylandreview.net/holyla ... &wi_codseq</a><!-- m --> , and <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12844">http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12844</a><!-- m --> ) pertaining to the distraction that you had caused in The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East, I find myself as an individual who is a devoted Christian and one who came to love his heritage as an Assyrian through knowledge of continually trying to understand the Holy Liturgy and other prayers that are part of the anthems in my Church, I am compelled to repudiate some of your statements. There are many individuals of various professions and organizations who love this Church and their Assyrian heritage that are on the frontlines to refute your work on an individual basis as well as corporately. This devotion along with prayers and fasting is what you failed to realize in The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East as a formidable force.

First of all, it is wrong for you to call the people who rally around their beloved Church as radicals. You fail to mention in your interviews how members from our Church as well as other Churches along with ordained and laypersons from Australia to India to Middle East to Europe and the Americas rallied around The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East to reject the fraudulent acts you conducted within the Church. I firmly believe, and I suspect many others may have similar thoughts, that by the nature of the distraction that you created would be characterized as antichrist. This was certainly evident by the strategy known as the Group Plan developed by you and, what would appear to be, under the auspices of other individuals who were funding this contemptible plan. I am reminded of the Watergate era and in an effort to reveal the various cover-ups, a statement was made to ???follow the money trail.??? Your activities warranted the question: When you were a Bishop, where would you have received the kind of money to potentially cover the ???stipend or salary??? of any ordained man, unless of course you were under the auspices of other individuals? The clear intention of your Group Plan, although you stated that the five Priests who disclosed your contemptible plan ???took out of context??? your intention (television interview February 7, 2006), was to have Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East succumb to Papal Primacy by way of subverting the hierarchy and thereby splitting the Church. It is my personal belief that you ???took out of context??? the intention of the Church of the East???s view of Full Communion. I could not fathom how a Bishop can bring such harm on the Bride that is well documented and recognized as an Apostolic Church and, through all its persecutions, has maintained the Christian orthodox teachings and the Holiness of God. I would truly be surprised if any good Roman Catholic would find your work righteous. Your ways are certainly not God???s ways and your thoughts are no where near God???s thoughts. You are wrong in calling devoted Christians radicals, yet not admitting your misleading ways.

As it is written in the book of Amos:
11 "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD, "when I will send a famine through the land - not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD. 12 People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from north to east, searching for the word of the LORD, but they will not find it. 13 "In that day "the lovely young women and strong young men will faint because of thirst. (Amos 8:11-13)

At a day an age that we live in of various religions that deny the Holy Trinity, anti Christian movements, and distorted views of the Holy Bible, the true Christians and, without a doubt, every man that has been ordained should become an Apologist for Christianity. [But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 1Peter 3:15] However, you covertly became an Apologist for Papal Primacy, no more no less.

For so many years when you were a Bishop, you had the opportunity to develop the Church, it was yours to loose and you lost it. You should meditate on Jesus??? parable in Luke 19:16-27. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. 'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back. (Luke 19:13). The ???money??? that you had were the blessing and authority bestowed upon you by the Church of the East. Should Our Lord and Savior return today, I wonder how He would perceive your work? Since you were looking to build up the net worth of the Roman Catholic Church (not necessarily by just adding more members or assets), you had no regard to the temptation and subsequent sin that you brought upon some members of the Church that belong to Christ Jesus. Your tactics of using the concept of Chaldean/Assyrian unity and the Iraq War was a red herring, as evident by your own words that you will not make them Roman Catholic. Concerning your deceptive tactics, it behooves the Roman Catholic community to search the internet and to:
** Listen through translators your own speeches of what you told your flock and compare that with what the legal documents revealed;
** Understand how you attempted to blocked the majority of the faithful from worshiping at certain parishes around Christmas time the birth of this world???s Savior by your attorney posting a ???keep out??? notice and the need for subsequent court intervention on behalf of the faithful to temporally rectify your grave mistake;
** Read how you fraudulently manipulated and took control of the Church properties and subsequently took equity loans that are unbecoming the character of any good citizen, not to mention an ordained man;
** Read your deposition during the law suit that you lost (and were forced to return the properties), in which you attempt to subvert the hierarchy of The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East;
** Read the Summary Judgment (enough evidence against you that a trial was not warranted) by a Superior Court Judge in Santa Clara, CA, whereby, the Judge attest to the hierarchy of The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East, that is to say you were properly terminated by our beloved Patriarch and Holy Synod. All your authority as a Bishop was revoked.

I am sure no true brother Christian would want an Administrator or Spiritual Leader to have this kind of a background. Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. (Proverbs 3:5). In your pre-consecration oath as Bishop, which was supposed to be symbolic of your faith, you stated that you would ???labor in all faithfulness, obedience and humility for the success of the Holy Church of the East.??? Furthermore, you said ???I will endeavor to be a vigilant and cautious pastor, overseeing the faithful sons and daughters of the diocese which is entrusted to me.??? What truly revealed to me your contempt for our Holy Church of the East is when I read excerpts from your deposition given on July 10, 2007. When asked by our Church???s attorney the question:

???Did you at any time from 2003, when you did the bylaws of St. George or 2004 when you changed the bylaws of Western California - - did you tell the Synod or - - and/or the Patriarch that those properties were - - that the properties held by those corporations were being put beyond the reach of either the Synod or the Patriarch????

Your response was: ???Since I was under no obligation to tell them, I don???t think I did.???

No obligation? The bylaws being changed, ownership of the assets belonging to the Church of the East being changed, et cetera, and you feel you have ???no obligation??? to tell the hierarchy? Truly I ask you, how can you be considered by anybody anymore an Administrator or Spiritual Leader? I dare say that the love that you had for the Christians within your diocese was questionable and you certainly were not faithful to the hierarchy. Indeed, based on your sworn statement during your ordination as Bishop and of what you subsequently did to the Church, you would be considered a traitor (definition: One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason).

Holy Order (ordination - Darkha):
It is said that darkha are bestowed upon a person throughout their life even if they are expelled from the college of bishops. Biblically, I do not know the basis of this kind of statement. Based on the Holy Bible however, I do believe that you no longer have darkha. I base my statement on at least three examples:

1st) In the Old Testament, Samson, a Jewish ruler, who was dedicated to God from the womb and even having Parents that saw an Angle of the Lord ascending to heaven, unfortunately became cultural and forgot about God. Delilah was paid by the rulers of the Philistines to deceive Samson. You know the story, but one of the saddest statements in the Bible is at the end of this verse:

20 Then she called, "Samson, the Philistines are upon you!" He awoke from his sleep and thought, "I'll go out as before and shake myself free." But he did not know that the LORD had left him. (Judges 16:20).

2nd) In the Old Testament, the Prophet Samuel anointed Saul as Israel???s first King. However, Saul was disobedient to God.

1 The LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? (1Samuel 16:1).

3rd) In the New Testament, when our Lord and Savior said to Peter in Matt16:19:
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Also, our Lord stated it to the disciples in Matt 18:18. If we believe in Apostolic Succession, the authority (His Holiness Mar Dinkha and members Holy Synod) that ordained you as a Bishop has also removed you as a Bishop. This is analogous to a couple when they are married; all rights and privileges as a married couple are theirs, on earth and heaven. Once divorced, for the right reasons of course, all rights and privileges as a married couple are revoked, on earth and heaven.

After you were terminated as Bishop, some of your supporters had touted in 2005 that your vision and motive was not to push for any alternative agenda and this was to be conveyed through the internet. At that time, the supporters that you had did not at all believe that your intention was to make them succumb to the authority of the Pope. Publicly, you emphatically denied any such move. Privately however, it is obvious that there was a huge disconnect in motives between you and your followers. The data indicated that they were wrong. Recently, you stated that this endeavor you were on was going for twenty years. [Incidentally, was this 20 year quest originally righteous and then became corrupted? Perhaps the turning point was 1997.] Furthermore, on the one hand you placate the people???s concerns by telling them the liturgy and sacraments will not change, but the only thing that would change is to be under the authority of the Pope. Elsewhere, you are talking about liturgical reform. This is deceptive.

Your Drive For Papal Primacy:
As there is ample biblical evidence to refute the concept of Papal Primacy, I will not dwell too much on that in this letter. I would direct you for starters to read Father Emmanuel Clapsis??? discussion on Papal Primacy (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/apologetics/">http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/apologetics/</a><!-- m -->). I can say from my own investigation and with an open heart to pursue the truth, I do believe that this submission to Papal Primacy is founded more on tradition and differing interpretations of the Holy Scripture rather than on true biblical evidence. The Holy Bible is clear on the leadership role that the Apostle Peter has among the other Apostles, but concerning the primacy of authority of Peter and his successors, Pope Boniface VIII issued his Bull Unam Sanctum (November 8, 1302), in which he discussed the doctrine of the necessity of the Church for salvation and with it the need to submit to the Pope. The Pope stated:

???But this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God [cf. Rom. 13:2] ... Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/papal_primacy.htm">http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/papal_primacy.htm</a><!-- m -->)

- First, just like the Church of the East, I do believe that the Roman Catholic Church is also Apostolic. There have been and continue to be true men and women of God within the Roman Catholic Church.
- Second, it is however hard for me to comprehend the audacity of the last sentence in the quotation. There are numerous versus in the Holy Scripture that could refute that statement. For example, in Moses??? discussion with God Almighty on the Glory of the Lord, Exodus 33:19 states:

???And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.???

Ostensibly, we see this in the book of Jonah, ???Salvation comes from the Lord??? (Jonah 2:9). People of Nineveh (who are your ancestors) were gentiles and yet heeded the words that came from a Jewish Prophet and through their prayers and fasting salvation came upon them. Obviously the Assyrians had worshiped God before Judah came about and long before any Pope. Also, in the book of Acts, note the context and think of the analogy of needing to be Roman Catholic, read how the Apostle Peter responds, (Acts 15:5-11):

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses." 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

In other words, Christians do not have to be ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? Allow me also to say this on ???Who will be the Greatest.??? An argument ensued among the Disciples on who is the greatest among them; you can read this in the Gospel of Luke 9:46 - 50.

49 "Master," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us." 50 "Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."

Notice that the Apostle John is saying ???us??? yet our Lord replies ???you.??? In one commentary it is stated that maybe the man had a relationship with Jesus that the Disciples were not aware of. You know full well that the Church of the East is Apostolic and it does not need to be ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.???

As you well know from the Hymn before the Gospel (Turgama d???qam Ewan???ga???leyon), ??????The Apostles planted the garden of spirit throughout the city of Orhai (Edessa); and the sons of Assyria flocked to receive baptism?????? This is part of the Apostolic foundation that occurred well before any Roman Pontiff. The lyrics of this hymn are very much biblical, that is to say, ???The Apostles planted the garden.??? As the Apostle Paul stated:

???I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.??? (1Cor3:6).

In fact, it would behoove you to reread 1Cor 3:1-15. The Apostle Paul discusses the division within the Church, whereby he reprimands the worldly Christians for choosing either Paul or Apollos. You as former Bishop had the opportunity to bring ???infant Christians??? to have a closer relationship through the Holy Spirit to their heavenly Father in order to better understand the mystery of reconciliation to Him through our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. As the Apostle Paul stated:

???9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.??? (Eph3:9-12).

We need faith in Christ Jesus for salvation and no need to be ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? It is in fact a staggering thought that this mystery is being made to known through the Church to the Cherubim, Seraphim, Archangels, and others in heavenly realm, as stated in verse 10. As you well know the hymn during The Signation and Fraction (The Breaking and Signation of the Consecration Bread and Wine):

???Bless the Lord, you His Angels. The Cherubim and Seraphim and Archangels in fear and trembling stand before the altar and they look at the Priest breaking and dividing the Body of Christ for the Pardon of debts.???

Before you were terminated as Bishop, many times you stood in the Holy of Holies breaking the Body of Christ as the heavenly realm observed, yet you continued with the Group Plan and thereby deceived your flock, your Brothers in the Holy Synod, and your Patriarch Mar Dinkha IV. Above all, I do believe with all my heart that your actions also grieved the Holy Spirit. How dare you?

- Third, concerning Pope Boniface VIII???s quote ??????Therefore, whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God [cf. Rom. 13:2]?????? The topic in Romans chapter 13:2 should be stated in context. The discussion here is more about civil authority than on being ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? In fact Father Emmanuel Clapsis quotes the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission (ARCIC) statement of Venice (1976):

???The theological interpretation of this primacy and the administrative structures through which it has been exercised have varied considerably through the centuries. Neither theory nor practice, however, has ever fully reflected these ideals. Sometimes functions assumed by the see of Rome were not necessarily linked to the primacy. Sometimes the conduct of the occupants of this see has been unworthy of his office??????

Due to my Parents, my salvation has come from my baptism in The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East and nurturing me in this Church to develop my faith and love in my Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, not by ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.???

- Fourth, Concerning Pope Boniface VIII???s quote ??????has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19]?????? This is also open to interpretation and not necessarily ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? As you well know the verse in 1Peter 5:13:

???She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.???

It is recognized that 1Peter was written during the time of the Emperor Nero, as evident by the persecutions in chapter four and five. Also, using the term Babylon figuratively for Rome would not occur until Revelation was written (A.D.95). Therefore, it is widely accepted since a Babylon existed on the Euphrates, Peter was in Mesopotamia and helped to establish a Church. This is also part of the apostolic foundation for the Church of the East and long before being ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.??? You should ask yourself, how many times you referred to His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV as Peter of our era ( Shimon d???zownan) in your letters and speeches?

Concerning our beloved Patriarch Mar Dinkha IV:
The Church of the East at one time had more members than the Latin and Greek Churches combined. It brought the Gospel to remote areas of Asia. Although its Patriarchs were predominantly Assyrian, they also included Jews, Chinese, Arab, and others. This is indicative of trying to make disciples of all the nations. Unfortunately, over the millennium, the Church of the East has been severely persecuted. Church splits have occurred, but not due to the orthodox teaching. Since His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV became the Patriarch in 1976, I do believe in my heart that he saw that The Church of the East was scattered and hurting. I am reminded of Nehemiah 3:11-17:

11 I went to Jerusalem, and after staying there three days 12 I set out during the night with a few others. I had not told anyone what my God had put in my heart to do for Jerusalem. There were no mounts with me except the one I was riding on. 13 By night I went out through the Valley Gate toward the Jackal Well and the Dung Gate, examining the walls of Jerusalem, which had been broken down, and its gates, which had been destroyed by fire. 14 Then I moved on toward the Fountain Gate and the King's Pool, but there was not enough room for my mount to get through; 15 so I went up the valley by night, examining the wall. Finally, I turned back and reentered through the Valley Gate. 16 The officials did not know where I had gone or what I was doing, because as yet I had said nothing to the Jews or the priests or nobles or officials or any others who would be doing the work. 17 Then I said to them, "You see the trouble we are in: Jerusalem lies in ruins, and its gates have been burned with fire. Come, let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem, and we will no longer be in disgrace."

Like Nehemiah, I do believe that God placed on the heart of His Holiness to rebuild the wall of the Assyrian Church of the East. The Church of the East was in a new phase. With the Blessing of His Holiness, once again the sons of Assyria flocked wherever they may be to rebuild The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East. Besides going East, The Church of the East is teaching orthodox Christianity at various parts of the globe.

Addison H. Hart, a Roman Catholic Priest , wrote an article in Touchstone Magazine entitled Eastern Lights & Shadows Reflections on Orientale Lumen IV (October 2000). In his article, Father Addison H. Hart reported on your three presentations: First, ???The Ministry of Reconciliation;??? Second, ???The Fire that Unites;??? Third, ???A Bride Seeking Comfort from Her Bridegroom.??? Although your cause intrigued him, he states however:

???I have little expectation that Mar Bawai Soro???s proposal will be taken with the seriousness it merits. The cynical part of my nature wants to say that it is just too sensible. Practically speaking, Catholic and Orthodox history has more than a millennium???s worth of abuses and grievances??????

If Father Addison had seen what you were doing inside your own Church, I would suspect he would find your dubious ways contemptible and just adding to the ???abuses and grievances.???

You and I communicated in the early summer of 2005 and you knew full well my high regard for you at the time. However, I did not know that you were working in the dark on a contemptible plan that I believe is not the will of God. I will add my voice to the many people who have asked you to PLEASE stop these deceptive tactics of your version of ???unification??? and repent. Look at the purification cycle of the earth (rained for forty days and forty nights), of the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years, et cetera. You should contemplate doing the same. At this point and time, you are no longer trusted in any capacity by many Christians within the Assyrian Church of the East. In the true sense of the word, I would not consider you a teacher. Stop the distractions and focus on returning the money that you illegally took from our Church. There are true Christians within our Church who are doing their jobs in nurturing the faithful and to pursue a unity that is not based on the criteria of being ???subject to the Roman Pontiff.???

May the Grace of God be upon all of us.

Edward Warda
Greensboro, NC
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Rafa Wrote:Is it just me or does it seem this guy was sent as a trojan horse to either force everybody into the RCC or cause as much havoc as he possibly could if he failed? Those equity loans...what a joke.

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Rome has a particularly urgent need to either wipe the CoE off the face of the earth, or to assimilate it within the greater "Catholic" sphere.

The reason is that the CoE is the only major Apostolic body that has traditionally been outside of the Roman/Byzantine ecclesiastical structure. It is really the only Apostolic Church that grew outside of the Roman empire, and this is a major thorn-in-the-side of their world view, which labels other branches of Christendom as "off-shoots" that are in rebellion against the "Throne of St. Peter."

In that world-view, the historical and continued existence of a group like the CoE is simply not tolerable. So as soon as Rome found out that Tamerlane had not, in fact, wiped every last remnant out - they sent the Portuguese first to India, and then the Jesuits to Mesopotamia. There is a reason why the Chaldean and Malankara rites are the oldest "Uniate" bodies within Catholicism.

They set their sights on the CoE first. And they have not stopped since then, and they will not stop trying to destroy this church. The CoE had better wake up and hear the calls of those of us who keep warning them that Rome is not your friend.

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Rafa Wrote:That's also why they call you guys "Nestorian" so that people can say "oh, they are just people from the RCC who agreed with a guy called Nestorius ages ago". Horrible stuff. You shouldn't build a patriarchate on such deception, the other thing being them saying the orthodox came from them not the other way round. The Portuguese had a completely different culture, it was a twilight zone I suppose for you guys. Not that in my opinion they were bad people, just that they were completely different, they thought the pope was the the "vicarius fili dei" and that anybody not agreeing with them was a pseudo-christian. Sad really. I hope the RCC does not win because St.Peter visited you guys first...PERIOD!

Have you read the history behind the Oath of Coonan's Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coonan_Cross_Oath

Quote:St. Thomas Christians remained in communion with the Church of the East until their encounter with the Portuguese in 1498. With the establishment of Portuguese power in parts of India, clergy of that nationality, in particular certain members of the Society of Jesus, attempted to latinize the Indian Christians.

Every attempt to resist the latinization process was branded by them heretical. Under their indigenous archdeacon, the Thomas Christians resisted, but the result was disastrous.

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The OATH

The Saint Thomas Christians who gathered at Mattancherry near Fort Kochi under the leadership of the archdeacon to receive a bishop from Iran took the Oath. After the Oath twelve priests laid hands on the head of the archdeacon, who was connected to the Coonan Cross by a rope, and ordained him Bishop. The several thousand other people who were there also took hold of the rope to signify their participation in the Oath.

The families/households represented by all these people and others later accepted the Antiochean tradition. They now form the Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church (or the autocephalous Indian Orthodox Church), the Mar Thoma Church, the Jacobite Church. The group of Saint Thomas Christians who did not participate in the Coonan Cross, remained with Portuguese Padroado later came under papal authority and are called the Syro-Malabar Church.

Tragic.

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