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Acts 2:24 Redux
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Dave,
You wrote:
Quote:God is of life, not death.

If you wish to believe that God will bring you into the fold and give you all these good things He talks about to just throw you to the dogs to be butchered at will, well,....... you and I are worshipping a different God, and you have an entirely different understanding and experience from mine.

You also wrote & quoted:

Quote:Maybe this is the end result of it;

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.



Who knows huh? Truth is truth and people hate the messenger all the time.
Which statement do you stand by? You cannot have it both ways.

Dave, which of the prophets was not butchered ? Which of the apostles was not butchered ? Paul, who wrote most of the NT, had his head cut off. Simon Peter was crucified upside down. James was killed with a sword. John was boiled in oil.
Stephen was stoned to death. Most were murdered for their faith in our Lord.


Who hates you ? What have you suffered compared to them? It is not prosperity that proves faith; it is willingness to suffer and die for Christ that proves faith and love to God. The Western Christian suffers nothing compared to those in the East. Who are we to condemn whole populations of believers because they suffer , and trumpet our great faith because we don't ? Read Hebrews 11:32-40 .

That is backwards thinking; it certainly is 180 degrees out of phase with the scripture you quoted.
I here add the three verses in Luke 6 following those you quoted:

24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.


The Apostle Paul noted how we prove ourselves to be God's servants in 2 Cor. 6:4-10:

4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes( floggings), in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Eternal Life comes with much suffering, as our Lord said. Those who shun the cross cannot be His disciples :

Lu 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Lu 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Lu 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.


He did not come to call us to be Christians. He came to make disciples. There is a big difference between the two !

Does "the Holy Spirit" tell you different ? If so, then you follow a lying spirit of antichrist. The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Holy Word.

Amen.

Dave
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Acts 2:24 Redux - by Paul Younan - 02-09-2005, 09:17 PM
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Dave's martyr complex ? - by gbausc - 02-14-2005, 05:42 PM
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