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Acts 2:24 Redux
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Dave Wrote:I don't care if people want to follow the traditional greek, syriac, or the aramaic texts as Paul and his friends put it, but no one can claim originality of this text or the traditional greek simply because of the standardizational aspect that the Western texts can show in relationship to them. By the way, this is common knowledge within the scholarly circles, and when one starts to look it over with an eye towards understanding without bias, the evidence is outright and overwhelming.

If anyone wants true originality, then they would have to head to the Western family of texts, of which all the oldest manuscripts and fragments are a witness of.

Claiming this is the language that Jesus spoke and so this must be the original text, is (just to be as candid as possible with everyone here) stupid.


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Dave, with all respect make sure you know what you are talking about before making statements like that. Don't just refute something for the sake of winning a debate. You are shooting your own self with that statement above and you don't realize it.

What is the Western family of texts? Do you have any idea? (Don't use Google to search for answer). What are the oldest manuscripts and fragments that testify to Matthew 18:2 here?


This is the reading of the Byzantine / majority text for Matthew 18:2 and it is in agreement with the Peshitta :

kai proskalesamenos o ijsous paidion estjsen auto en mesw autwn


This is the reading of the Alexandrine text:

kai proskalesamenos paidion estjsen auto en mesw autwn


This is the reading of Codex D:

kai proskalesamenos o ijsous paidion en estjsen auto en mesw autwn



As you can see from the above, the oldest manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus (4th century) and Codex Sinaiticus (4th century) missed out the word ijsous. They do not have the word en either. Codex D (5th century) has ijsous like the majority text but has an additional word en like Syriac Curetonian and Syriac Sinaiticus. Regarding "fragments" (if by "fragments" you mean the papyri), as far as I know there is no witness to this text from the papyri.

The variants of the Greek text for this passage only shows the superiority of the Peshitta. The missing ijsous in two old manuscripts like Codex B and Codex Aleph could be attributed to the carelessness of the copyist. The additional word en in Codex D could be attributed to the addition made by the copyist as all Greek manuscripts do not have this word. If you are free at home, try to copy your English Bible with your own hand. See how many words you missed out and how many words you unintentionally added after you finished copying. <!-- sConfusedatisfied: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/satisfied.gif" alt="Confusedatisfied:" title="Satisfied" /><!-- sConfusedatisfied: -->


*note on the possible reason for copyist mistake in Codex D :

Matthew 18: 2 in Codex D
kai proskalesamenos o ijsous paidion en estjsen auto en mesw autwn

The copyist could have copied the word en twice. If you have copied from a book before, you will(or might) know what I mean. en in Greek could mean "one" or "in." en (pronounced hen) means one. en (pronounced en) means in.

When one starts to look it over with an eye towards understanding without bias, the evidence is outright and overwhelming. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->



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Off to bed and a long break from this forum.

Peace.
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Acts 2:24 Redux - by Paul Younan - 02-09-2005, 09:17 PM
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Dave's martyr complex ? - by gbausc - 02-14-2005, 05:42 PM
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