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"Losing Jesus' Language"
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Paul Younan Wrote:Akhi bar-Khela,

Quote:You are an African-American male, I would like to ask you one question: Under what circumstances would you voltuntarily submit to the following conditions? Repeat after me:

I prefer "One of the last remaining archetypes of man." Or, you can address me as "one of the ancient men of renown from whom my own ancestors descended from." Africa, too, flows in your veins.

Quote:No? Really? Then why, in Alaha's name, would you even suggest that the Christians of any place under Islamic mis-rule would have done so voluntarily?

Aren't these the same conditions outlined in your link above - that they supposedly "volunteered" to abide by?

RECOGNITION OF RULE

Patriarch Ish??yahb III, writing to his correspondent Simeon of Rewardashir around the year 650, in the heat of the intra-Christian controversy of the time said

"As for the Arabs, to whom God has at this time given rule (shult??n??) over the world, you know well how they act toward us. Not only do they not oppose Christianity, but they praise our faith, honour the priests and saints of our Lord, and give aid to the churches and monasteries" Hoyland, Seeing Islam as Others Saw It, p. 181.

WAS CONVERSION FORCED

An anonymous Syriac chronicler from T??r cAbd??n, who completed his narrative somewhere around the year 775, offers this comment on the behavior of some of his contemporaries. He says,

The gates were opened to them to [enter] Islam. . . . Without blows or tortures they slipped towards apostasy in great precipitancy; they formed groups of ten or twenty or thirty or a hundred or two hundred or three hundred without any sort of compulsion . . ., going down to Harr??n and becoming Moslems in the presence of [government] officials. A great crowd did so . . . from the districts of Edessa and of Harr??n and of Tella and of Resaina Translation of J. B. Segal, Edessa 'The Blessed City' (Oxford, 1970), p. 206, from J.-B. Chabot, Incerti Auctoris Chronicon Pseudo-Dionysianum vulgo Dictum (CSCO, vol. 104; Louvain, 1952), pp. 381-385. See now the version of Amir Harrak, The Chronicle of Zuqn??n; Parts III and IV, A.D. 488-775 (Mediaeval Sources in Translation, 36; Toronto: Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval Studies, 1999), p. 324

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The Assyrian Christians loved us.
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???
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"Losing Jesus' Language" - by oozeaddai - 02-05-2005, 05:36 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-05-2005, 10:25 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:22 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 09:15 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 01:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:58 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:21 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:33 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 03:00 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 03:48 PM
Christ incarnate is in our midst - by gbausc - 02-06-2005, 05:07 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 06:23 PM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 02-06-2005, 06:51 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 07:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 08:16 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-07-2005, 03:54 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-07-2005, 08:05 PM
Re: Not having it. - by Dan Gan - 02-08-2005, 02:24 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-08-2005, 03:22 AM
Re: Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 09:32 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 10:06 PM
Michael the Elder - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 05:12 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-09-2005, 05:22 PM
'Put to the Sword' - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:17 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-09-2005, 11:15 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 12:35 AM
I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-10-2005, 01:14 AM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-11-2005, 01:44 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-13-2005, 02:55 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-13-2005, 07:33 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 03:39 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 05:21 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-14-2005, 11:04 PM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-14-2005, 11:32 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-15-2005, 12:00 AM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-15-2005, 08:48 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-15-2005, 11:13 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-16-2005, 01:43 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-17-2005, 12:17 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-17-2005, 03:38 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 12:36 AM
[No subject] - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 03:50 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Islam and Allah - by shimoun63 - 02-18-2005, 04:42 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 06:20 PM
ALLAH IS A ZIONIST - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 06:27 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-18-2005, 07:04 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 07:11 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 09:09 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-19-2005, 03:07 AM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-19-2005, 05:18 AM
[No subject] - by shimoun63 - 02-19-2005, 08:26 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-19-2005, 02:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-20-2005, 04:20 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-21-2005, 01:40 AM

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