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"A BISHOP THEN MUST BE BLAMELESS..."
#1
In I Tim 3:2 it says "A BISHOP THEN MUST BE BLAMELESS, THE
HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE...."

In translating from the Greek, "MIAS GUNAIKOS ANDRA" there are apparently two ways to understand this. Does it mean the husband of only one wife at a time, or does it stipulate that a bishop can only have one wife during his lifetime. So if he was married and his wife died, he would be prohibited from ever marrying again.

Does the Aramaic make a clear understanding of this passage?

Ga
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#2
Shlama Akhi Gac,

If Paul said, "John is the husband of three wives", would you think he meant John had married three times and divorced twice ?

It would be incorrect to say "John is the husband of three wives.", if that were the case. John would never have been the husband of more than one wife at any time.

Blessings,

Dave
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I would have to agree. The Bible nowhere is against re-marriage as long as both people are "eligible". Also, it makes it clear that the pastor/priest/whatever should be married, so what surely he could re-marry if she died for instance.

But I always have wondered why does it stress this "one wife"? Why not just say "married"? Does this verse allow for polygamy among non-clerical Christians???
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#4
I thought Y'shua said we were not to have Leaders?? When we did and why did this happen
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#5
What do you mean by "Leaders", and where does He say that?
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#6
Aramaic Wrote:What do you mean by "Leaders", and where does He say that?

Matthew 23:10
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#7
Mar 10:11, 12
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#8
Dunno if it will help anybody or if it is correct, but the way I see it is:

Not let anyone call us leaders = not develop any permanent relations of leader-follower. The leader in such a relation needs to be blamed so the victim feels free to recognize the problem without blaming him/her self.
Episkopos = overseer, a person who cater for the physical needs of the congregation. There need not be any leader-follower relations for this to work, right?
If so, we get an idea of what they do by reading Acts 6:1-6, in summary people perceived that some of the poor got more food than the others, so certain Christians asked seven other Christians to help make sure the food was divided justly.

What happened in the first century, and keeps happening is that humans (including Christians) have a habit of turning to bad, hypocritical and violent persons as leaders. Some of the people who wished to join congregations were probably hypocritical, with a violent past and with many wives. If anybody was likely to try to become a leader, it was probably such an individual, and that would mean the end to meaningsful Christianity.

In 1 Corinthians chapters 5 and 6, I perceive that Paul only reluctantly pass judgement on the person the Corinthians had asked him about, that he expects them to judge (5:12) and to me verse 3 of chapter 6 seems to indicate that Paul expects every member of the congregation to judge for them selves and to be able to pass judgement in conflicts between brothers and sisters.
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#9
So this is since the beginning.

Cain, nimrod, mosheh, gideon, shaul. These the people looked up to and followed them instead of yahweh.

The leaders job is to feed the flock by teaching them to have a relationship with yahweh. To always go to him and study his word to know what to do for themselves. Each member of the congregation should have a living relationship with elohim.

Unfortunately it happens the other way where a group follows the leader instead of yahweh. It is easier to listen to the leader than to hunt to find the answer for yourself. And so yahweh said he gave us labor for our good but we always try to find the quickest way or a shortcut if possible to get to the goal in the shortest time. Most of the time this means we don't take the time to develop our own relationship.
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tobiyah Wrote:So this is since the beginning.

Cain, nimrod, mosheh, gideon, shaul. These the people looked up to and followed them instead of yahweh.

The leaders job is to feed the flock by teaching them to have a relationship with yahweh. To always go to him and study his word to know what to do for themselves. Each member of the congregation should have a living relationship with elohim.

Unfortunately it happens the other way where a group follows the leader instead of yahweh. It is easier to listen to the leader than to hunt to find the answer for yourself. And so yahweh said he gave us labor for our good but we always try to find the quickest way or a shortcut if possible to get to the goal in the shortest time. Most of the time this means we don't take the time to develop our own relationship.

I concur. Saw this in a former congregation that we used to go to. Now, the "leader" there is only gathering sheep to himself. The people are so enamored with him that they believe he is nearly infallible, and so no one will challenge him, even when he is clearly wrong. Another problem is he refuses to have an official board/council of elders, so he is basically a dictator.
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Yeah infallibility is definitely not scriptural. Every since adam we have a record of mistakes. There is not even 1 besides yahshua that is recorded without mistakes.

shalom
tobiyah
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