11-09-2004, 08:03 PM
Shlama Dave,
Let's look at this again, Dave.
"It is cited in the Koran, the holy book of the Muslims, that human beings are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and the female.
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???Verily We created man of a fluid-drop (nutfa), mingling (amshaj) , in order to try him: so We gave him (the gifts of) hearing and sight.??? (76:2).
Nutfa, in Arabic, is a single small drop of water, but it was described here as (amshaj) , which means its structure consists of combined mixtures. This fits with the scientific finding, as the zygote is shaped as a spherical drop, and is simultaneously a mixture of male fluid chromosomes and female ovum chromosomes.
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Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a sperm drop and it is also suggested that the resulting organism settles in the woman like a seed, six days after its beginning.
13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
(The human blastocyst begins to implant about six days after fertilization.) The Koran, (and prophet saying), also states that the sperm drop develops 'into a clot of congealed blood'
14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! (Sura 23:12-14).
Let's examine this sequence:
The word "clot in Arabic is "Alaq" which means "something that clings or a leech-like substance.
"When the sperm of the male unites with the ovum of the female, the essence of the baby to be born is formed. This single cell, known as a "zygote" in biology, will instantly start to reproduce by dividing, and eventually become a "piece of flesh" called an embryo. This of course can only be seen by human beings with the aid of a microscope.
The embryo, however, does not spend its developmental period in a void. It clings to the uterus just like roots that are firmly fixed to the earth by their tendrils. Through this bond, the embryo can obtain the substances essential to its development from the mother's body"Keith L. Moore, E. Marshall Johnson, T. V. N. Persaud, Gerald C. Goeringer, Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani, Mustafa A. Ahmed, Human Development as Described in the Qur'an and Sunnah, Commission on Scientific Signs of the Qur'an and Sunnah, Makkah, 1992, p. 36
In a word, this is called implantation in Biology.
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Look at it clinging to the uterus for its nutrition. Pretty, huh?
A little bit more info: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vetscite.org/publish/items/001022/">http://www.vetscite.org/publish/items/001022/</a><!-- m -->
Lump
The word for lump in Arabic is Mudgha, which means "that which is chewed"
This stage of the human embryo takes place around the 24th to 26th day of implantation after the blastocyst stage
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What do you notice about the lining of the tail?
Bones and Muscles
First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.
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No muscles yet. Still developing spine.
.... then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! (Sura 23:12-14).
it is no longer an embryo. It's a fetus.
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Ah, muscles! He so big and stroong!
What happens when a sperm cell reaches "a place of rest, firmly fixed?" Hint: Sperm do not rest until one has penetrated the egg.
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While Galen of the 2nd century already discovered that human embryos develop in the uterus, he did not know that its formation takes place in stages
"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (39:6)
1) the anterior abdominal wall;
(2) the uterine wall; and
(3) the amnichorionic membrane
The first known illustration of this discovery was in the fifteenth century by Di Vinci.
So who taught Muhammad about "three veils of darkness?"
5. O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs). (Sura 22)
Embryos are composed of both differentiated and undifferentiated tissues. For example, when the cartilage bones are differentiated, the embryonic connective tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiated. It later differentiates into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones.
Now what, Dave?
Quote:This is gross error in the Koran. A human being is not created from a sperm drop; no organism results from a sperm drop and settles in the woman like a seed. If you had studied Biology and Genetics, you would know this.
Let's look at this again, Dave.
"It is cited in the Koran, the holy book of the Muslims, that human beings are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and the female.
-------
???Verily We created man of a fluid-drop (nutfa), mingling (amshaj) , in order to try him: so We gave him (the gifts of) hearing and sight.??? (76:2).
Nutfa, in Arabic, is a single small drop of water, but it was described here as (amshaj) , which means its structure consists of combined mixtures. This fits with the scientific finding, as the zygote is shaped as a spherical drop, and is simultaneously a mixture of male fluid chromosomes and female ovum chromosomes.
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Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a sperm drop and it is also suggested that the resulting organism settles in the woman like a seed, six days after its beginning.
13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
(The human blastocyst begins to implant about six days after fertilization.) The Koran, (and prophet saying), also states that the sperm drop develops 'into a clot of congealed blood'
14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! (Sura 23:12-14).
Let's examine this sequence:
The word "clot in Arabic is "Alaq" which means "something that clings or a leech-like substance.
"When the sperm of the male unites with the ovum of the female, the essence of the baby to be born is formed. This single cell, known as a "zygote" in biology, will instantly start to reproduce by dividing, and eventually become a "piece of flesh" called an embryo. This of course can only be seen by human beings with the aid of a microscope.
The embryo, however, does not spend its developmental period in a void. It clings to the uterus just like roots that are firmly fixed to the earth by their tendrils. Through this bond, the embryo can obtain the substances essential to its development from the mother's body"Keith L. Moore, E. Marshall Johnson, T. V. N. Persaud, Gerald C. Goeringer, Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani, Mustafa A. Ahmed, Human Development as Described in the Qur'an and Sunnah, Commission on Scientific Signs of the Qur'an and Sunnah, Makkah, 1992, p. 36
In a word, this is called implantation in Biology.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/3week.html">http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/3week.html</a><!-- m -->
Look at it clinging to the uterus for its nutrition. Pretty, huh?
A little bit more info: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vetscite.org/publish/items/001022/">http://www.vetscite.org/publish/items/001022/</a><!-- m -->
Lump
The word for lump in Arabic is Mudgha, which means "that which is chewed"
This stage of the human embryo takes place around the 24th to 26th day of implantation after the blastocyst stage
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://bio.winona.msus.edu/berg/ILLUST/embryo1.gif">http://bio.winona.msus.edu/berg/ILLUST/embryo1.gif</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laureates/1995/illpres/c-embryo.gif">http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laureate ... embryo.gif</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/4week.html">http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/4week.html</a><!-- m -->
What do you notice about the lining of the tail?
Bones and Muscles
First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/6week.html">http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/6week.html</a><!-- m -->
No muscles yet. Still developing spine.
.... then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! (Sura 23:12-14).
it is no longer an embryo. It's a fetus.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/16week.html">http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/16week.html</a><!-- m -->
Ah, muscles! He so big and stroong!
Quote:One sperm cell must penetrate one female egg cell and fertilize it. There can be no organism developing from a sperm drop. There must be the union of a sperm cell with an egg first.
You have proven that Mohammed wrote errors in the name of Allah.
What happens when a sperm cell reaches "a place of rest, firmly fixed?" Hint: Sperm do not rest until one has penetrated the egg.
----------
While Galen of the 2nd century already discovered that human embryos develop in the uterus, he did not know that its formation takes place in stages
"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (39:6)
1) the anterior abdominal wall;
(2) the uterine wall; and
(3) the amnichorionic membrane
The first known illustration of this discovery was in the fifteenth century by Di Vinci.
So who taught Muhammad about "three veils of darkness?"
5. O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs). (Sura 22)
Embryos are composed of both differentiated and undifferentiated tissues. For example, when the cartilage bones are differentiated, the embryonic connective tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiated. It later differentiates into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones.
Now what, Dave?
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???