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A gift
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Shlama Akhi Bar Khela--

Speaking from a biblical perspective, the broadest definition of a "prophet" is one who speaks for YHWH. However, Akhi Paul is correct in the sense that a prophet is VALIDATED by signs and wonders and fulfillment of the vision in history. Otherwise, he is a false prophet. Furthermore, even if the prophet can work wonders, he can still be false if his doctrine is wrong (Deuteronomy 13). Obviously I don't think Y'shua (Jesus) was a false prophet!

But as for Mohammed, he seems to shy away from direct, on point prophecy that we can quantify. He also shies away from miracles, at least in the sense that Jews and Christians have come to expect them. By contrast, both Moses and Y'shua were BRIMMING with miracles when it came time for them to speak their "prophecy", or what you Bar Khela call "receiving divine revelation". The whole "if the mountain won't come to Mohammed" line may be apocryphal (I believe it is) but that does not mean it is not a fair assessment of what the historical Mohammed did, or more importantly, what he did NOT do. From Jewish and Christian views though (and others feel free to correct me if I don't speak well for you) there was really nothing new in what Mohammed said, which was, among other things:

1) Only one God
2) Pray a lot.
3) Give alms.
4) Rest on Friday night.
5) Don't eat pork.

Can you see why, particularly my ancestors, would basically go "been there, done that, doing it now"???? We've been doing this for thousands of years, and they figure this out about the year 610??? But for Christians (and for myself as a Nazarene) denying the resurrection of Y'shua (as Mohammed does) is not a small point. In fact, without it, as the apostle Paul says, our preaching is worthless! So maybe there's an issue there too.

In the end, the similarities, the differences and the lack of attestation I describe very ably sum up why Mohammed's message did not take root with "people of the book". And all this is without even getting into the violence issue either.

So, perhaps you can think of Mohammed as someone special Akhi Bar Khela, but if he was (or is), I don't see that fitting into the biblical definition. It's consistency can only come from it's own frame of reference and not what came before, in my opinion. Perhaps then the only term that I know of that could apply is the very general "ahmed" (advocate), but you know I don't see him that way.

Akhi Bar Khela, it surely may be looked at as progress that Arabs went from worshipping 3 goddesses to embracing one God, just as it is for Hellenistic Christians who 2000 years ago stopped worshipping Zeus, Diana, etc. However, where is the validation of the message?

And by bilbical definiton, Mohammed does nto sem to fit into being a "seer" either, because those visions are also validated, like with Ezekiel.

Hope this helps!
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
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A gift - by bar_khela - 11-02-2004, 11:10 PM
Re: A gift - by Paul Younan - 11-04-2004, 09:50 PM
Re: A gift - by bar_khela - 11-04-2004, 10:39 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-04-2004, 11:23 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-05-2004, 12:00 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-05-2004, 12:16 AM
Prophets and prophecy - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 11-05-2004, 02:00 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-05-2004, 03:07 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-05-2004, 04:38 AM
Re: Prophets and prophecy - by bar_khela - 11-08-2004, 05:31 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-08-2004, 05:47 PM
Re: Prophets and prophecy - by bar_khela - 11-09-2004, 02:31 AM
Bad Biology in Koran - by gbausc - 11-09-2004, 01:25 PM
Congealed blood is a human ? - by gbausc - 11-09-2004, 01:34 PM
I blinded Dave with Science! - by bar_khela - 11-09-2004, 08:03 PM
Chess play - by bar_khela - 11-09-2004, 08:53 PM
Embryology & Plagiarism ? - by gbausc - 11-10-2004, 05:38 PM
Re: Embryology & Plagiarism ? - by bar_khela - 11-10-2004, 07:46 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-11-2004, 01:24 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-11-2004, 02:30 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-11-2004, 03:13 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-11-2004, 05:25 PM

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