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Meaning of Isra-eyl
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shlom lokh oh Gentile,

Gentile Wrote:Hi Abu/Father Dar
Is this an Arabic forum name you have?

The name "abudar" started out as a practicle joke that I played on a friend of mine, and afterwards I just used it as an alternative e-mail.

The word "abu" is not commonly used in the Lebanese language.
The word "dar" means "Living Room" in Lebanese.

Both of these words have a Syriac origin. And one of them I think origianlly started out as Akadian.

abu -> aba -> Father
abu (seems to be of Akadian Origin), but in Syriac we have the following words:

aba -> Father (emphatic state)
ab -> My Father
abu -> Father (the word which the following suffix attach to)
abukh -> your father (masculin singular)
abuh -> Her father
abuy -> His father
abun -> Our Father
abukhun -> your father (masculin plural)
abuhun -> Their father
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dar -> dara -> Court/Chambre/House/etc...

I'll leave it up to you to answer it! :)

Gentile Wrote:I think that when God says to Jacob [heel] that he will be called from now on 'Israel' he means that he will now be 'bound with El' i.e. connected with Him.

The passage clearly says that Jacob's name will become Israel, and that he and his descendants will get the land of Abraham and Issac, which now is called Israel. He also says that from Jacob (i.e. Isreal) other nations will come. Notice the words "a nation and an assembly of nations", if all the nations where the promise land, then the line should only be "assembly of nations".

Gentile Wrote:
Quote:If you were to say "Beny Israel" in Lebanon, people would understand it as you saying "the people of Israel" or if you add the Lebanese word "men", then it becomes "a descendant of someone from Israel".

Interesting stuff here Father D. When you say 'Lebanese' though what do you mean? Arabic? When you say 'men' do you mean the word 'of/from'? However, clearly the word is used to mean follower/member and not only in the biological sense. Hence those of us who follow God's law are Beny Israel you see.

Lebanese is Arabised-Syriac. There's major difference between Lebanese and Arabic.

"men" in Lebanese and Syriac means the same. "From".

Unless your line descends from that of Jacob, then no.
What are the nations other than Isreal that descend from Jacob, I don't know.
Could these passages be a prophetic statement, in regards to all the nations and people of the world that would follow the Law of God, then in that case the descendants could be interpreted in a spiritual way. But the only problem with that is the fact that God declared Abraham to be the father of faith in God's Law. Very Tricky.

But the word "beny Israel" in its current usage (i.e in Lebanon) only means, those who come from Israel and/or who are Jewish.

Gentile Wrote:This is a linguistic point, as this is my concern on this Peshitta website [and Paul's as well I think] but this if course has a political link. Going by this understanding I am sure that Beny Israel does not refer to what we understand as 'Jews' in the modern sense.

It's a question that we'll never be able to answer, since we don't have access to Jacob. ;)

poosh bashlomo,
keefa-moroon
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Meaning of Isra-eyl - by Gentile - 06-11-2004, 10:13 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2004, 02:16 PM
[No subject] - by Gentile - 06-14-2004, 07:35 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2004, 12:42 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 06-14-2004, 01:25 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2004, 01:41 PM
[No subject] - by Gentile - 06-14-2004, 02:16 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 06-14-2004, 03:31 PM
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