Qnoma?...definition

[abudar2000]

Shlomo oh David,

I don't mean to barge in, but the quote "They shall gaze upon Me Whom they have pierced..." is a figurative speach. The "pierced" means those that have "hurt him", not in a physicall way, but by comiting sin.

We say it all the time, and there are equivalent english expressions:
ex:
You've hurt me ....
You've wounded me ...

As you know these expressions don't mean it in a physicall sense all the time, but in a figurative sense.

poosh bashlomo,
keefa-moroon

Shlama Akhi Paul,

You admit that even Aramaic speaking Christians differ widely on the meaning of "qnoma", as they differ widely in their theologies.
we wrote:

gbausc wrote:

The "two qnomas of Christ" bothers me , because I cannot find it in The Peshitta.


Sure you can - you can even find it in the English. When Meshikha forgave sins, that was the Divine Qnoma. When He was tempted by Satan, that was the Human Qnoma.

Do you need it to explicitly say "Meshikha had two qnome, one Divine and one Human?" What we are talking about is the mystery of the Incarnation - something that is, essentially, ineffable.

I don't wish to split hairs with you. We've argued about this for 15 centuries.

Come now, Paul , we haven't argued quite that long yet ! :D

Seriously, I should expect to find something more definitive in scripture, if only two verses- one stating Jesus has a human qnoma , and another somewhere stating He has a divine qnoma. Any verse that states He has two qnome (which, you must admit, is rather unusual), would clear this up.And given the uniqueness of this supposed phenomenon of two qnome in one Person, I should expect such a statement in scripture before I accept it as church doctrine.That would clinch the matter. As it is, there are no such statements.

I do not accept any division in Meshikha; Personally, I believe His Deity is human and His Humanity Divine- one nature , one qnoma , one person , and that those three are One ! (Talk about oneness !)
I find it strange that some (not yourself) believe in God's absolute unity (singularity,really) and yet put Yeshua Meshikha on a disection board and separate Him into 2 keyana , 2 qnome and a parsopa - 5 parts !

This kind of attitude should embarass anyone , at the very least, who claims to know, love and worship The LORD Meshikha. Personally, I find it impertinent and arrogant in the extreme. The gnostics engaged in "Christ splitting", dividing His human and Divine natures and going so far as to say that Yeshua was a mere man and The Meshikha was a Divine emanation who dwelt in Yeshua.

As you know, John wrote his major epistle to refute this heresy. "This is He that came through water and blood, Yeshua Meshikha" There was no part of Him untouched by the events of baptism and crucifixion.

Can Jehovah not suffer ? "They shall gaze upon Me Whom they have pierced..." , saith Jehovah.

Will God judge me for believing this ? Far be it ! I would rather fear that I should take part in piercing Him again by my ignorance and impassiveness toward His suffering.


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Dave B