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Qnoma?...definition
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Akha Andrew and Paul,

I perceive that this is a theologically and emotionally loaded question with you both. I think we should approach it linguistically and entymologically. As I recall, the lexicons give "self" as one of the major definitions; again , "self" need not refer to a person. Often it is neuter in meaning and impersonal:
[font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]lpn glptm hmwnq l9d 0tybw brxt h$pn l9 glpttd wklm lk Nwhl rm0 Nwhtb$xm 0wh 9dyd Nyd 9w$y[/font]Lu 11:17
Lu 11:17 autov de eidwv autwn ta dianohmata eipen autoiv pasa basileia ef eauthn diamerisyeisa erhmoutai kai oikov epi oikon piptei

This is the first NT occurrence of Qnoma; it refers to a house falling in on itself. It also appears to be synonymous
to "napsa" in the same verse, "kingdom divided against itself". Are you both saying that this word can never have that meaning ? How is it that Luke, knowing Aramaic and Greek(who I believe wrote and translated his books and translated Hebrews) has "oikov" for "qnoma" in that verse (Luke 11:17) , meaning "house" is renamed in "qnoma" ?
He also uses "eautos" (himself) in Hebrews 1:3 for "qnoma" .
I take it that this Zorba knew what he was about ! Remember, all Zorbas had to know Aramaic as well as Greek to translate the NT into Greek.This is a common usage among the 15 places qnoma occurs in the NT.

As far as the theology of the various sects of the Aramaic speaking Christians regarding this word, I think the lexicons should decide how a word is used and make the proper application for each occurrence accordingly; there is no one set usage for the word, in my humble opinion. It may or may not refer to a self or a person , or an "individuated nature", depending on the context.

Does not Aramaic employ synonyms ? I see napsa used as a synonym for qnoma at times; if not so, how is qnoma used in Luke 11:17 ?
The idea of a nature seems to apply at times, and others,not.
Romans 9:3-not.
1 Cor 6:7-not.
The nature of the Spirit born cannot be condemned or accursed. It does not fit. A person can be condemned if he does evil.

I wish I could see this the way you do. I will continue to study and consider it. Much thanks for the the input.

,[font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Fxrwb F0ygs[/font]


Dave B
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Qnoma?...definition - by judge - 03-31-2004, 09:42 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 03-31-2004, 10:59 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-02-2004, 10:07 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-02-2004, 11:05 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-03-2004, 05:18 PM
Qnoma definition - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 04-03-2004, 11:04 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-04-2004, 01:08 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-04-2004, 03:09 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 04-04-2004, 04:08 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-04-2004, 05:32 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-04-2004, 08:35 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-05-2004, 03:08 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-05-2004, 03:20 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-05-2004, 03:35 PM
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[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-05-2004, 05:20 PM
UNIVERSAL COGNATES? - by nashama - 04-05-2004, 05:39 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-05-2004, 07:27 PM
[No subject] - by judge - 04-05-2004, 10:54 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 12:17 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 12:44 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 01:15 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 01:23 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-06-2004, 01:33 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 02:29 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 02:39 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 03:31 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-06-2004, 07:47 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 07:59 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-06-2004, 01:08 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 01:46 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-06-2004, 03:56 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 04:07 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 04:48 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 05:17 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 05:20 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 05:28 PM
Re: Qnoma?...definition - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 05:42 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 09:00 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 09:08 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-06-2004, 09:59 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-06-2004, 10:21 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-07-2004, 12:15 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-07-2004, 01:52 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-07-2004, 02:20 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-07-2004, 02:48 AM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-07-2004, 04:10 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-08-2004, 08:22 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-08-2004, 02:39 PM
[No subject] - by abudar2000 - 04-08-2004, 05:32 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-09-2004, 12:39 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-09-2004, 04:41 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-09-2004, 03:30 PM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-10-2004, 02:35 AM
Re: Qnoma?...definition - by Paul Younan - 04-10-2004, 05:01 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-10-2004, 11:54 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-10-2004, 02:42 PM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-11-2004, 03:01 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-11-2004, 03:42 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-11-2004, 03:46 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 04-11-2004, 04:32 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-11-2004, 05:13 AM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-11-2004, 05:32 AM
Re: Qnoma?...definition - by Paul Younan - 04-11-2004, 02:25 PM
Qnoma?...definition - by george - 04-11-2004, 04:14 PM

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