07-21-2021, 12:20 PM
In the Greek Revelation, in the vast majority of instances (specifically, at-least 71/80), the adjective 'megas'/ great/ loud appears _after_ the noun it describes.
Of the 9 times that it doesn't, 5 of those times it's speaking of socioeconomic levels:
11:18 to the small and the great and to destroy
13:16 the small and the great and the
19:5 the small and the great
19:18 freemen both and slaves, even of [the] small and great
20:12 the dead, the great and the small
The remaining 4 times are:
13:5 a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy
15:3 Lamb saying, Great and wonderful [are]
16:1 (in some Greek mss.)
16:21 the plague of the hail for great is the plague of it exceeding
(In addition, the KJV Rev 19:17 erroneously has "the supper of the great God," while the original Aramaic and certain Greek mss. have "the supper great of God.")
Here are those passages from the original Aramaic, based on Glaser:
13.5 And was given to her/it a mouth of speaking r-u-r-b-th-a [great things] and blasphemy,
and was given to her/it authority to be working months forty and two.
15.3 And they were glorifying the dwelling of Moses, His work of God [i.e., of God His work],
and the praise song of the Lamb and were saying, Great and amazing your works MrYa [Master YHWH],
God holding all, upright and truths your works, King/Ruler of this world/age.
16.1 And I heard a voice/sound great from the temple/holy-place that said to the seven messengers,
Go and pour down seven bowls/vessels of His anger/passion/burning of God upon/over/against the earth.
16.21 And hail great like talent(s) descended from heaven/sky upon the sons of men and they-- the sons of men-- blaspheme God over/regarding the plague/injury of hail, because that great is its plague/injury much/very.
When Rev 16:1 was originally written, do you think it literally read:
"great voice"?
"voice great"? (the Crawford ms. contains that)
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/16-1.htm
3173 μεγάλης/ megalēs/ loud
5456 φωνῆς/ phōnēs/ voice
Revelation 16:1
https://biblehub.com/texts/revelation/16-1.htm
Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
.... μεγάλης φωνῆς ....
Westcott and Hort 1881
.... μεγάλης φωνῆς ....
RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Beza Greek New Testament 1598
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης
3173. μέγας (megas); almost all brackets are mine from looking at an interlinear
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3173.htm
Revelation 1:10 Adj-AFS
GRK: μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος
INT: me a voice loud as of a trumpet
Revelation 2:22 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς θλίψιν μεγάλην ἐὰν μὴ
INT: into tribulation great if not
Revelation 5:2 Adj-DFS
INT: in a voice loud Who is worthy
Revelation 5:12 Adj-DFS
INT: saying with a voice loud Worthy is
Revelation 6:4 Adj-NFS
INT: to him a sword great
Revelation 6:10 Adj-DFS
INT: they were crying with a voice loud saying Until
Revelation 6:12 Adj-NMS
INT: and an earthquake great there was and
Revelation 6:13 Adj-GMS
INT: by a wind great being shaken
Revelation 6:17 Adj-NFS
INT: day great of the wrath
Revelation 7:2 Adj-DFS
INT: he cried with a voice loud to the four
Revelation 7:10 Adj-DFS
INT: crying with a voice loud saying
Revelation 7:14 Adj-GFS
INT: tribulation great and they washed
Revelation 8:8 Adj-NNS
INT: as a mountain great with fire burning
Revelation 8:10 Adj-NMS
INT: heaven a star great burning as
Revelation 8:13 Adj-DFS
INT: saying with a voice loud Woe woe
Revelation 9:2 Adj-GFS
INT: [the] smoke of a furnace great and was darkened
Revelation 9:14 Adj-DMS
INT: river great Euphrates
Revelation 10:3 Adj-DFS
INT: cried with a voice loud as a lion
Revelation 11:8 Adj-GFS
INT: city great which is called
Revelation 11:11 Adj-NMS
INT: and fear great fell upon
Revelation 11:12 Adj-GFS
INT: they heard a voice great out of
Revelation 11:13 Adj-NMS
INT: there was an earthquake great and a
Revelation 11:15 Adj-NFP
INT: were voices great in
Revelation 11:17 Adj-AFS
INT: [you took the power] of you great and reigned
Revelation 11:18 Adj-AMP
INT: [to the small] and the great and to destroy
Revelation 11:19 Adj-NFS
INT: and hail great
Revelation 12:1 Adj-NNS
INT: And a sign great was seen in
Revelation 12:3 Adj-NMS
INT: behold a dragon great red having
Revelation 12:9 Adj-NMS
INT: dragon great the serpent
Revelation 12:10 Adj-AFS
INT: I heard a voice great in
Revelation 12:12 Adj-AMS
INT: having fury great knowing that
Revelation 12:14 Adj-GMS
INT: eagle great that she might fly
Revelation 13:2 Adj-AFS
INT: and authority great
Revelation 13:5 Adj-ANP
INT: a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy
Revelation 13:13 Adj-ANP
INT: it works signs great that even
Revelation 13:16 Adj-AMP
INT: [the small] and the great and the
Revelation 14:2 Adj-GFS
INT: a voice of thunder great and the
Revelation 14:7 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud Fear
Revelation 14:8 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great she who of
Revelation 14:9 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud If anyone
Revelation 14:15 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud to him sitting
Revelation 14:18 Adj-DFS
INT: he called with a cry loud to him having
Revelation 14:19 Adj-AMS
INT: of God the great
Revelation 15:1 Adj-ANS
INT: [and I saw another sign in] heaven great and wonderful
Revelation 15:3 Adj-NNP
INT: Lamb saying Great and wonderful [are]
Revelation 16:1 Adj-GFS
INT: And I heard [a] loud voice out of
Revelation 16:9 Adj-ANS
INT: men with heat great and they blasphemed
Revelation 16:12 Adj-AMS
INT: river great the Euphrates
Revelation 16:14 Adj-GFS
INT: day great of God
Revelation 16:17 Adj-NFS
INT: came out a voice loud from the
Revelation 16:18 Adj-NMS
INT: earthquake there was a great such as not
Revelation 16:18 Adj-NMS
INT: an earthquake so great
Revelation 16:19 Adj-NFS
INT: city great into three
Revelation 16:19 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great was remembered before
Revelation 16:21 Adj-NFS
INT: and a hail great about a talent weight
Revelation 16:21 Adj-NFS
INT: [the plague of the] hail for great is the [plague of it exceeding]
Revelation 17:1 Adj-GFS
INT: prostitute great who sits
Revelation 17:5 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the Great the mother
Revelation 17:6 Adj-ANS
INT: her with wonder great
Revelation 17:18 Adj-NFS
INT: city great which has
Revelation 18:1 Adj-AFS
INT: having authority great and the
Revelation 18:2 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great and is become
Revelation 18:10 Adj-NFS
INT: city great Babylon the
Revelation 18:16 Adj-NFS
INT: city great which [was] clothed with
Revelation 18:18 Adj-DFS
INT: city great
Revelation 18:19 Adj-NFS
INT: city great in which
Revelation 18:21 Adj-AMS
INT: as a millstone great and cast [it]
Revelation 18:21 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great city and
Revelation 19:1 Adj-AFS
INT: like a voice loud of a multitude great
Revelation 19:2 Adj-AFS
INT: prostitute great who corrupted
Revelation 19:5 Adj-NMP
INT: [the small] and the great
Revelation 19:17 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud saying to all
Revelation 19:17 Adj-ANS
INT: supper great of God
Revelation 19:18 Adj-GMP
INT: [freemen both and slaves, even of [the]] small and great
Revelation 20:1 Adj-AFS
INT: and a chain great in the
Revelation 20:11 Adj-AMS
INT: I saw a throne great white and
Revelation 20:12 Adj-AMP
INT: [the] dead [the] great and [the small]
Revelation 21:3 Adj-GFS
INT: I heard a voice great out of
Revelation 21:10 Adj-ANS
INT: to a mountain great and high
Revelation 21:12 Adj-ANS
INT: It had a wall great and high
Of the 9 times that it doesn't, 5 of those times it's speaking of socioeconomic levels:
11:18 to the small and the great and to destroy
13:16 the small and the great and the
19:5 the small and the great
19:18 freemen both and slaves, even of [the] small and great
20:12 the dead, the great and the small
The remaining 4 times are:
13:5 a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy
15:3 Lamb saying, Great and wonderful [are]
16:1 (in some Greek mss.)
16:21 the plague of the hail for great is the plague of it exceeding
(In addition, the KJV Rev 19:17 erroneously has "the supper of the great God," while the original Aramaic and certain Greek mss. have "the supper great of God.")
Here are those passages from the original Aramaic, based on Glaser:
13.5 And was given to her/it a mouth of speaking r-u-r-b-th-a [great things] and blasphemy,
and was given to her/it authority to be working months forty and two.
15.3 And they were glorifying the dwelling of Moses, His work of God [i.e., of God His work],
and the praise song of the Lamb and were saying, Great and amazing your works MrYa [Master YHWH],
God holding all, upright and truths your works, King/Ruler of this world/age.
16.1 And I heard a voice/sound great from the temple/holy-place that said to the seven messengers,
Go and pour down seven bowls/vessels of His anger/passion/burning of God upon/over/against the earth.
16.21 And hail great like talent(s) descended from heaven/sky upon the sons of men and they-- the sons of men-- blaspheme God over/regarding the plague/injury of hail, because that great is its plague/injury much/very.
When Rev 16:1 was originally written, do you think it literally read:
"great voice"?
"voice great"? (the Crawford ms. contains that)
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/16-1.htm
3173 μεγάλης/ megalēs/ loud
5456 φωνῆς/ phōnēs/ voice
Revelation 16:1
https://biblehub.com/texts/revelation/16-1.htm
Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
.... μεγάλης φωνῆς ....
Westcott and Hort 1881
.... μεγάλης φωνῆς ....
RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης ....
Beza Greek New Testament 1598
.... φωνῆς μεγάλης
3173. μέγας (megas); almost all brackets are mine from looking at an interlinear
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3173.htm
Revelation 1:10 Adj-AFS
GRK: μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος
INT: me a voice loud as of a trumpet
Revelation 2:22 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς θλίψιν μεγάλην ἐὰν μὴ
INT: into tribulation great if not
Revelation 5:2 Adj-DFS
INT: in a voice loud Who is worthy
Revelation 5:12 Adj-DFS
INT: saying with a voice loud Worthy is
Revelation 6:4 Adj-NFS
INT: to him a sword great
Revelation 6:10 Adj-DFS
INT: they were crying with a voice loud saying Until
Revelation 6:12 Adj-NMS
INT: and an earthquake great there was and
Revelation 6:13 Adj-GMS
INT: by a wind great being shaken
Revelation 6:17 Adj-NFS
INT: day great of the wrath
Revelation 7:2 Adj-DFS
INT: he cried with a voice loud to the four
Revelation 7:10 Adj-DFS
INT: crying with a voice loud saying
Revelation 7:14 Adj-GFS
INT: tribulation great and they washed
Revelation 8:8 Adj-NNS
INT: as a mountain great with fire burning
Revelation 8:10 Adj-NMS
INT: heaven a star great burning as
Revelation 8:13 Adj-DFS
INT: saying with a voice loud Woe woe
Revelation 9:2 Adj-GFS
INT: [the] smoke of a furnace great and was darkened
Revelation 9:14 Adj-DMS
INT: river great Euphrates
Revelation 10:3 Adj-DFS
INT: cried with a voice loud as a lion
Revelation 11:8 Adj-GFS
INT: city great which is called
Revelation 11:11 Adj-NMS
INT: and fear great fell upon
Revelation 11:12 Adj-GFS
INT: they heard a voice great out of
Revelation 11:13 Adj-NMS
INT: there was an earthquake great and a
Revelation 11:15 Adj-NFP
INT: were voices great in
Revelation 11:17 Adj-AFS
INT: [you took the power] of you great and reigned
Revelation 11:18 Adj-AMP
INT: [to the small] and the great and to destroy
Revelation 11:19 Adj-NFS
INT: and hail great
Revelation 12:1 Adj-NNS
INT: And a sign great was seen in
Revelation 12:3 Adj-NMS
INT: behold a dragon great red having
Revelation 12:9 Adj-NMS
INT: dragon great the serpent
Revelation 12:10 Adj-AFS
INT: I heard a voice great in
Revelation 12:12 Adj-AMS
INT: having fury great knowing that
Revelation 12:14 Adj-GMS
INT: eagle great that she might fly
Revelation 13:2 Adj-AFS
INT: and authority great
Revelation 13:5 Adj-ANP
INT: a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy
Revelation 13:13 Adj-ANP
INT: it works signs great that even
Revelation 13:16 Adj-AMP
INT: [the small] and the great and the
Revelation 14:2 Adj-GFS
INT: a voice of thunder great and the
Revelation 14:7 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud Fear
Revelation 14:8 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great she who of
Revelation 14:9 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud If anyone
Revelation 14:15 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud to him sitting
Revelation 14:18 Adj-DFS
INT: he called with a cry loud to him having
Revelation 14:19 Adj-AMS
INT: of God the great
Revelation 15:1 Adj-ANS
INT: [and I saw another sign in] heaven great and wonderful
Revelation 15:3 Adj-NNP
INT: Lamb saying Great and wonderful [are]
Revelation 16:1 Adj-GFS
INT: And I heard [a] loud voice out of
Revelation 16:9 Adj-ANS
INT: men with heat great and they blasphemed
Revelation 16:12 Adj-AMS
INT: river great the Euphrates
Revelation 16:14 Adj-GFS
INT: day great of God
Revelation 16:17 Adj-NFS
INT: came out a voice loud from the
Revelation 16:18 Adj-NMS
INT: earthquake there was a great such as not
Revelation 16:18 Adj-NMS
INT: an earthquake so great
Revelation 16:19 Adj-NFS
INT: city great into three
Revelation 16:19 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great was remembered before
Revelation 16:21 Adj-NFS
INT: and a hail great about a talent weight
Revelation 16:21 Adj-NFS
INT: [the plague of the] hail for great is the [plague of it exceeding]
Revelation 17:1 Adj-GFS
INT: prostitute great who sits
Revelation 17:5 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the Great the mother
Revelation 17:6 Adj-ANS
INT: her with wonder great
Revelation 17:18 Adj-NFS
INT: city great which has
Revelation 18:1 Adj-AFS
INT: having authority great and the
Revelation 18:2 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great and is become
Revelation 18:10 Adj-NFS
INT: city great Babylon the
Revelation 18:16 Adj-NFS
INT: city great which [was] clothed with
Revelation 18:18 Adj-DFS
INT: city great
Revelation 18:19 Adj-NFS
INT: city great in which
Revelation 18:21 Adj-AMS
INT: as a millstone great and cast [it]
Revelation 18:21 Adj-NFS
INT: Babylon the great city and
Revelation 19:1 Adj-AFS
INT: like a voice loud of a multitude great
Revelation 19:2 Adj-AFS
INT: prostitute great who corrupted
Revelation 19:5 Adj-NMP
INT: [the small] and the great
Revelation 19:17 Adj-DFS
INT: with a voice loud saying to all
Revelation 19:17 Adj-ANS
INT: supper great of God
Revelation 19:18 Adj-GMP
INT: [freemen both and slaves, even of [the]] small and great
Revelation 20:1 Adj-AFS
INT: and a chain great in the
Revelation 20:11 Adj-AMS
INT: I saw a throne great white and
Revelation 20:12 Adj-AMP
INT: [the] dead [the] great and [the small]
Revelation 21:3 Adj-GFS
INT: I heard a voice great out of
Revelation 21:10 Adj-ANS
INT: to a mountain great and high
Revelation 21:12 Adj-ANS
INT: It had a wall great and high