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body and blood of MarYah
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(05-10-2016, 06:03 AM)distazo Wrote:
(05-09-2016, 04:42 AM)Thomas Wrote:
(05-07-2016, 05:27 AM)distazo Wrote:
(05-05-2016, 09:22 PM)Thomas Wrote: Thanks Distazo.  Please allow me to rephrase my question:

"Whoever then eateth of the bread of [MarYa], and drinketh of his cup, and is not worthy of it, is guilty of the blood of [MarYa] and of his body." (1 Corinthians 11:27)

If MarYa = YHWH, the name of the Father, then how is it that YHWH has a blood and a body?  In other words, it would seem that this should be talking about the blood and body of Yeshua--not YHWH.  What are your thoughts for why 1Co 11:27 has "MarYa" instead of "Yeshua"?


Good question, you now will enter a discussion about trinity. But the Peshitta is even more clear on this.

But let me ask you, about whom is Hebrews 1 mainly speaking? About 'the Father' or about 'the Son'?

Hi Distazo,

I believe Hebrews 1 is primarily focused on the Son, Yeshua.

Andrej: Thanks also for the post.  You included 1Co 15:47, which states "the second man is YHWH from heaven."  But the second man is described as "spiritual"--not "earthly" in 1Co 15:46.  In other words, the second man (YHWH) is spiritual, which echoes my original question: Does YHWH have a flesh and blood body?

Thanks to you both,
Thomas


Ok, if it is clear that Hebrews 1 speaks about the Son, why does it quote Psalms 102:27,28, which clearly speaks about YHWH?
This is just one example, there are many like these...

And your case, as if YHWH is 'spiritual' only, is not quite valid in the OT either.
Exodus 15:3: YHWH is a *man* of war (man=ish)

Exodus 24:3
"And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. "
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"And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink"

If you were trying to trick us into some battle of words, I propose that you try to not put God in a 'human' limited box. God can be and transform into whatever is necessary.

In Corinthians, it also states: 46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."

Paul, was not giving a definition that YHWH is 'spirit' only, but giving chronological order, Adam was first, and he was flesh, but YHWH, the second Adam, was spirit first.

Your brother in Christ

Dear Distazo,

Why assume I'm trying to "trick you"?  The main question centers around why the Peshitta scribes would use "MarYa" when 1Co 11:23-29 is plainly talking about the crucifixion of Yeshua.  In other words, why the toggling between Yeshua and MarYa when it seems obvious that Yeshua was the one with the body and blood--not YHWH?

Your Tanakh quotations are terrific for proving that Yeshua is the Mashiyach, but not that YHWH has a body.  "Man of war" is simply a figure of speech, and "seeing God" (even His feet) doesn't suggest a flesh and blood body, but rather a spiritual vision of God (cf. Isa 6:1 ff.).

I just wanted to get some ideas, and I appreciate your thoughts.  I recommend not assuming the worst though.  I'd be happy to share my thoughts on it if you're interested.  Grace and peace,

Thomas

Thomas
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Messages In This Thread
body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-04-2016, 09:02 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by distazo - 05-05-2016, 12:57 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-05-2016, 09:22 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by distazo - 05-07-2016, 05:27 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Andrej - 05-08-2016, 11:48 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-09-2016, 04:42 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by distazo - 05-10-2016, 06:03 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-11-2016, 04:46 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Andrej - 05-17-2016, 10:14 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-13-2016, 05:23 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-16-2016, 02:08 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-16-2016, 06:21 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-16-2016, 09:00 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by distazo - 05-17-2016, 05:40 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thomas - 05-17-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-17-2016, 04:41 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by sestir - 05-17-2016, 04:57 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-18-2016, 12:52 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by sestir - 05-18-2016, 04:57 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-18-2016, 06:14 AM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Andrej - 05-18-2016, 05:00 PM
RE: body and blood of MarYah - by Thirdwoe - 05-18-2016, 07:10 PM

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