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A Mystery Revealed: Gospel of Mark tracks the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation
(04-28-2016, 08:10 PM)Charles Wilson Wrote: Josephus, Wars..., 6, 5, 1:

"WHILE the holy house was on fire, every thing was plundered that came to hand, and ten thousand of those that were caught were slain; nor was there a commiseration of any age, or any reverence of gravity, but children, and old men, and profane persons, and priests were all slain in the same manner; so that this war went round all sorts of men, and brought them to destruction, and as well those that made supplication for their lives, as those that defended themselves by fighting.

W..., 6, 6, 1:

"On the fifth day afterward, the priests that were pined with the famine came down, and when they were brought to Titus by the guards, they begged for their lives; but he replied, that the time of pardon was over as to them, and that this very holy house, on whose account only they could justly hope to be preserved, was destroyed; and that it was agreeable to their office that priests should perish with the house itself to which they belonged. So he ordered them to be put to death. "

ben Zakkai makes it out.  There was a List, according to Uzi Leiber (Settlement and Galilee, ISBN-13: 978-3161498718 ) which paired Settlements with the Priestly Courses.  On the assumption that not all of the Priests are in Jerusalem for the Siege, some of these Priests in Galilean Settlements also survived.  One other point is that ben Zakkai approaches Vespasian and declares that Vespasian will become Emperor.  Vespasian states that ben Zakkai should be killed twice over for what he has said.  However, if what he asserted turned out to be true, then ben Zakkai could have "one wish" - ben Zakkai asks for, and receives, permission to build a school at Yavneh.  It is the start, most probably, of Rabbinical Judaism.

ben Zakkai may become more important in future years for study of the Origin of the NT in terms of Structure, especially with the Book of Numbers.


The Jewish high priest was killed in 66AD.  And by 68AD, it was just rebels ‘running things’ chaotically in the city as people starved, and worse.  Anything after 68AD was not law, it was chaos.

So any ‘priests’ who remained in the city by 70AD were not lawful.  That’s a big deal actually – law. 

Indeed, after looking into this historical question deeper about ben Zakkai and company, I found this from another author, “There are many problems with the Johanan ben Zakkai story, not the least being that Vespasian was not actually present at the siege of Jerusalem, his son Titus (of the same name) was the commander. Secondly, when rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai escaped from the siege, in the summer of 70 CE, to promise the emperorship to Vespasian, Vespasian was already emperor! These and other inconsistencies can never be sorted out because of the lack of reliable material.”

From the reliable materials available, the actual and legitimate priestly authority (holding the seat of Moses) was completely absent in Jerusalem sometime between 66AD and 68AD, which was when the entire rule of law had broken down in the city.

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RE: A Mystery Revealed - by sestir - 04-17-2016, 10:18 PM
RE: A Mystery Revealed - by sestir - 04-18-2016, 10:34 AM
RE: A Mystery Revealed - by sestir - 04-22-2016, 08:07 PM
RE: A Mystery Revealed - by sestir - 04-23-2016, 12:56 PM
RE: A Mystery Revealed - by sestir - 04-25-2016, 03:41 PM
RE: A Mystery Revealed: Gospel of Mark tracks the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation - by gregglaser - 04-29-2016, 12:57 AM

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