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Primacy Proofs Refuted (Six and counting)
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Thomas Wrote:
Quote:There are four identical lists of the disciples who were chosen as Apostles in Matthew 10:1-5, Mark 3:14-19, Luke 6:13-16, In Acts 1:13 Judas Escariot is not mentioned. The first two lists name Simon the Canaanite. The second two lists call the same person Simon the zealot. There is an apparent discrepancy and contradiction. Simon the Canaanite was not a Jewish disciple. Simon the Zealot was not a Canaanite but a Jewish disciple/Apostle. The Greek New Testament has created confusion. Nevertheless the Aramaic New Testament Peshitta does resolve this discrepancy.

Thank you again, Stephen, for sharing this insight; and a wonderful one indeed. I will, however, in regards to the topic of concern (verifiable Aramaic primacy claims), suggest that the Aramaic / Peshitta does not solve any confusion here; nor does the Greek create confusion in this situation with the apostles list. Here's why:

Both Greek and Aramaic use different words to describe Simon in Mat/Mark and Luke/Acts, and also for the Canaanite woman in Mat 15. The Greek is therefore just as diverse and the Aramaic in distinguishing between them, and therefore the confusion cannot be blamed on the Greek anymore than on the Aramaic.

Secondly, if the solution to the translation of "Simon the Canaanite" in Mat 10 / Mar 3 was actually the Hebrew word, qinaa, then this doesn't positively reflect on the Aramaic anymore than the Greek. Sure, Aramaic is closer to Hebrew in many respects; but this whole situation seems more like an English translator's fault which could have been made from either the Greek or the Aramaic. Nevertheless, a wonderful linguistic insight!

Thomas

Shlama Akhi Thomas:
The "four lists of the Apostles' which appear in both the Aramaic Peshitta as well as the Greek New Testament is a sound example of Aramaic New Testament primacy proof and the Greek New Testament has no adequate explanation for this. Without getting too deeply into linguistics, let's just say that the subject of phonetic "stops and fricatives" does address the selective use of "Q, K" as opposed to "T,D". This example cannot be easily dismissed as an English translation oversight.

Aramaic in Its Historical and Linguistic Setting 50 (2008, Hardcover)

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This book is on my "wish list", so for now I will reference it on Google Books. Please take time to read the page which is shown. This will give you some idea of the complexity of the subject of Semitic Linguistics. We're also very fortunate to have some Aramaic speakers on the forum of whom Aramaic is their mother tongue.

Enjoy,
Stephen
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Re: Primacy Proofs Refuted (Six and counting) - by Stephen Silver - 01-26-2015, 06:03 PM

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