09-06-2014, 04:59 AM
Thirdwoe Wrote:Mr. Roth is a Netzari believer last time I knew, which are somewhat along the lines of the Messianic groups out there in their particular beliefs and practices, ...Hello, just wanted to help bring a little clarity to part of this statement. Not trying to take up for or stand against Roth or anybody else for that matter.
While the Netzari believers may seemingly have many of the same believes as the Messianic movement they are two very separate belief systems.
The Messianic movement was brought about by several Christian denominations banning together with an out reach program to try and win Yehudim [commonly referred to as "Jews"] of whom believe in a Torah based belief system of YHWH over to Christianity's less of Torah belief system they claim was rot by The Anointed One and taught by Shaul [a.k.a.-Paul]. Thereby the Messianic movement is but only Yehudim that are won over to Christianity, and only seeming to be a Torah observant sect observing the Feast of YHWH, but in reality it isn't, as they teach that the Two Houses mentioned in the Scriptures consist of the Protestant Christians and the Messianic Christians living in harmony with one another, each practicing what is culturally appropriate for their own group all the while condoning the other's practices (even if the practices are of pagan origins). Yet the true Two Houses mentioned in the Scriptures are the Southern House of Yehudah and the Northern House of Ephraim, i.e - The Northern and Southern Tribes of YisraAil [Israel] which will re-join one another in the end times as One House undivided, not two house divide but getting along. The True Two Houses are to consist of both be Torah observing YisraAilites from among the twelve tribes and gentiles that graft into them. So the Messianic Movement, while on the outside seems to be walking in Torah on the outward side, is really of the less Torah observant based Christianity - simply with a kepi- and not really the faith once and for all handed down by the Torah based beliefs taught by Moshay [a.k.a.-Moses], as lived out by The Anointed One.
All the while the Netzari Movement are people trying to simply walk as Moshay taught and The Anointed One walked and taught, i.e.-Living a Torah based life and teaching against any form of religion that teaches less Torah (e.g.-Torahlessness).
So as Christianity and Netzari faiths are to very different systems of belief - so too is the Messianic faith from the Netzari trust. So yes while the Messianics seem to walk the same walk as the Netzari outwardly their talk/teachings are far from that of the Netzari, as a Netzari would never condone pagan practices inside or even out side the Assembly of YHWH.
Again I did not post any of this to put anyone group down, but rather purely for an informational purpose of the difference between the Messianics Faith and Netzari Trust, as while they may seem to be alike in outward practice they are by no means close to the same at heart.
As for Roth I would have to say that according to his footnotes he would definitely consider himself to be a Netzari (no doubt).