11-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Let's try and keep the discussion focused on the text. When I get my fifth edition I'll return with a lot more stuff. In the meantime,
1) Renewed Covenant - Yes, this is an acceptable translation. There are actually several streams of theology to support the concept, and the often incorrect assumption is that this is merely a renewal of the Mosaic covenant which is not true. It includes elements of all the covenants to bring the master plan of the Father together. This discussion exceeds the scope of the forum though, but personally, I subscribe to promise theology which one can read about from scholar and theologian Walter C. Kaiser.
2) Staff VS Cross - This is a minority reading for sure. Both Jenning's and Payne do not even list stake as a definition of z'qifeh, although Magiera does. While I can see where Roth gets the idea based on culture here, I would need to find a lexical entry that goes deeper into the etymology of the word (anyone know of a good Aramaic one? Something similar to the "Theological Workbook of the Old Testament" where the word itself rather than the meaning is discussed). Or, does anyone know if the staff Moses lifts up in Numbers is the same Aramaic word in the Peshitta Tanach?
3) Matthew 13:27: The Aramaic reads "d'Mareh baita" so this was a mistranslation. I don't think it was one I sent in though, so I'll have to see if it was caught and updated for the fifth edition. If not, it will be going on my new list.
4) Colossians 2:16 - This I think was highly influenced by an episode of Michael Rood's show that makes a case for this referring to pagans. I agree that it should be kept to the footnotes however, and will be offering an alternative opinion when I give feedback on the subsequent edition.
5) Ephesians 2:15 - The phrase is "lchad barnasha chadata" - one man new (or made new / renewed). I'm not sure why this was cut down by Roth because it says the same thing. I also agree that the qnoma comment should be brought to the footnotes as it clutters the text somewhat. This has always been a difficult passage to translate literally whether from the Greek or from the Aramaic and many translations have put in and taken out words to try and make it flow smoother. I'll probably spend some time with it as well when I give Roth new feedback.
I have a whole other list but I'm waiting for the 5th so I can check all those occurrences first (I sent it in as feedback last December I think).
1) Renewed Covenant - Yes, this is an acceptable translation. There are actually several streams of theology to support the concept, and the often incorrect assumption is that this is merely a renewal of the Mosaic covenant which is not true. It includes elements of all the covenants to bring the master plan of the Father together. This discussion exceeds the scope of the forum though, but personally, I subscribe to promise theology which one can read about from scholar and theologian Walter C. Kaiser.
2) Staff VS Cross - This is a minority reading for sure. Both Jenning's and Payne do not even list stake as a definition of z'qifeh, although Magiera does. While I can see where Roth gets the idea based on culture here, I would need to find a lexical entry that goes deeper into the etymology of the word (anyone know of a good Aramaic one? Something similar to the "Theological Workbook of the Old Testament" where the word itself rather than the meaning is discussed). Or, does anyone know if the staff Moses lifts up in Numbers is the same Aramaic word in the Peshitta Tanach?
3) Matthew 13:27: The Aramaic reads "d'Mareh baita" so this was a mistranslation. I don't think it was one I sent in though, so I'll have to see if it was caught and updated for the fifth edition. If not, it will be going on my new list.
4) Colossians 2:16 - This I think was highly influenced by an episode of Michael Rood's show that makes a case for this referring to pagans. I agree that it should be kept to the footnotes however, and will be offering an alternative opinion when I give feedback on the subsequent edition.
5) Ephesians 2:15 - The phrase is "lchad barnasha chadata" - one man new (or made new / renewed). I'm not sure why this was cut down by Roth because it says the same thing. I also agree that the qnoma comment should be brought to the footnotes as it clutters the text somewhat. This has always been a difficult passage to translate literally whether from the Greek or from the Aramaic and many translations have put in and taken out words to try and make it flow smoother. I'll probably spend some time with it as well when I give Roth new feedback.
I have a whole other list but I'm waiting for the 5th so I can check all those occurrences first (I sent it in as feedback last December I think).