01-31-2011, 05:17 AM
justalex Wrote:Stephen Silver Wrote:Shlama Akhi Alex:
I can't chase you around the forum as you change the scriptural topics. Please, if you see fault in the scriptures I have brought forth and if you can understand Hebrew and Aramaic enought to comment on them then I'd appreciate that you do, or we will go in circles and waste time and energy. Therefore, I want to park here and clarify some definitions so that we both feel that we are on the same page.
1)"nishmat ruakh khahim". can you simply define what this phrase means?
2) "nefesh khayia". Again, what does it mean?
Use the Hebrew Bible and point me to verses that affirm their meaning. I'll give you a hint. "Job Chapter 26:4, 27:3.
Job had a perfect understanding of both of these phrases and he used them to bring praise to Elohim.
Quote:So YAHushauh is indeed the "wisdom", the righteousness, the sanctification and the redemption... that YHWH "made" Him to be for us and it is told of first in Mishley 8
wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption are attributes of Elohim. All the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in YHVH. Here, Yeshua is YHVH. In I Corinthians 12:3 it is read, "No one speaking by the Spirit of Elohim calls Jesus cursed and no one can say that YHVH is Yeshua except by the Holy Spirit". These readings are from the Peshitta and differ slightly from the Greek, but not considerably. The order of YHVH and Yeshua change but the meaning is the same. Compare Genesis 1:1, Hebrews 1"9, Psalm 110:1-2, Ephesians 3:9.
Now, without skirting the issue Alex, can you read Hebrew and Aramaic enough to discern by Lexical analysis it's intrinsic meaning?
Please keep your answers clear, concise and as accurate as you can.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research,
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Actually I haven't asked you to "chase" me anywhere at all... I asked a simple question that, to date, has not been addressed...
As far as your phrases from Iyob are concerned, they have nothing to do with the passage from Luqa do they??? Or is it you that is introducing something "new" into the conversation??? However just for argument's sake... this is Iyob 26:4
EYTh-MIY HIGADeThA MILIYN WeNISheMATh-MIY YATzeAHMIMEYKhA:
and Iyob 27:3
KIY-KAL-`OWD NISheMAThIY BIY WeRUACh ELOAH BeAPhIY: (RUACh mentioned here refers to the breath that Iyob has within him, not his Spirit)...
What you apparently miss in those passages is that Iyob is replying to Bildad... and neither of them address Luqa 2:52... nor do they have anything with The Son...
Furthermore I have never said I read or speak Aramaic... I've never even attempted to do either as my interest is not in that area at this point in my life, however that too is irrelevant to my question...
Your argument about what or should I say whom "wisdom, sanctification and redemption" are with the scriptures not me... As the katub says that ELOHIYM {MADE} YAHUshuah these things for us in Corintyah 1:30... However this too is irrelevant to my question...
Your reasoning for making portions of your post is your own... It does not answer my question as Corintyah Aleph 12:3 does not either... It actually makes the question that much important as Luqa certainly did not say the same in 2:52...
There certainly is no issue to "skirt" other than the fact that you, nor anyone else has answeredd the question but have given all sorts of interpretations and reasons for your belief...
NOW... I ask that you answer this as "concisely" as possible... How could YAHUshuah, the Son OF YHWH "gain favour" with ELOHIYM if He is ELOHIYM??? If you cannot answer it, believe me when I say I understand, as I have yet to find anyone that says the Son and the FATHER are the same, online or otherwise, that can explain that one passage without contradicting their belief system...
Thanks...
justalex
Shlama Akhi Alex:
Your transliteration of Hebrew is not impressive at all to me. If you can't read Hebrew or Aramaic then you will not be able to understand the subtle nuances that I have pointed out to you. Your persuasion that Yeshua is not YHVH is going nowhere fast and frankly I've given you all the time I intend to. Indeed your argument is very weak. Whatever teachers you have been following are leading you astray. I Corinthians 12:3 declares unambiguously that Yeshua is YHVH the Son and that He has always been YHVH the Son. This fact is indisputable and many scholars here agree with this because the scripture makes the connection and not some human endeavour.
Without a clear knowledge of Hebrew and Aramaic it is not easy to see Yeshua to be YHVH, even though Genesis 26 gives a clear understanding and from there it goes on and on.
You have no right to demand that I answer your questions any more than I have Alex. You would not be able to grasp the information that is given. As much as I would like to help you Alex you are just wasting my time and yours to stay on the present course. You apear to me to have a faulty agenda and you have engaged others on this forum only to put forth your own faulty ideas and you are not interested in actually learning the truth. You are your own teacher and you will go in circles if you continue on your present course. Don't waste any more of our precious time. I've been studing Aramaic Primacy and the Peshitta for over 12 years. I was one of the first to join <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.peshitta.org">www.peshitta.org</a><!-- w -->. I don't want to continue this thread with you. Find someone else who wants to waste their precious time following your incorrect teaching.
Shlama,
Stephen Silver,
Dukhrana Biblical Research,
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