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Setting the record straight
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Shlama Akhi Dawid,

HOW CAN I BE "INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST" WHEN I HAVE DETAILED EVERYTHING THAT I DID IN THE FIRST PLACE???

Almost everyone here uses the address "Shlama Akhi/Khati" (peace my brother/sister) when talking with a member. So if you see what is going on here and just call me "Mr. Roth" when everyone else is wishing me peace and when even Bauscher is addressed as "Shlama Akhi" by those who are clearly against him, I think you can see why that would not escape my attention.

There are different forms of plagiarism. A student who totally copies another's work and calls it original will not be prosecuted, but he could fail the course or be expelled from the school.

Another form of it has to do with books and research. If a work is plagiarized THEN, the source of the original work can sue for copyright infringement. The one leads to the other. In public parlance as is common on the internet, to suggest one is to imply the other. Alternatively, it is no friendly reassurance to suggest I am guilty of one but not the other. I will vigorously fight BOTH.

Here is what you don't seem to understand. If a work is PUBLIC DOMAIN, it does not, by defintion, come under copyright infrignement. There literally is no copyright to infringe. So, if the greater charge is disproved, so is what is in your mind the "lesser' charge of plagiarism. If there is no infringement, there is no plagiarism either. But I agree with you that not all of which is plagiarized leads to legal infringement cases. Even so, I cannot allow such association to be implied without comment.

I don't know why you seem to think this is an appropriate time to engage in such fine points, and you are insensitive in the extreme in the way you worded your first post to me. Do you honestly think I care which forms of plagiarism may or may not lead to infringement or is it enough that AENT is NOT plagiarized??? Come on.

Just so we are clear, THIS is the definition I say does NOT apply to AENT:

Plagiarize: Function: verb Inflected Form(s): pla??gia??rized; pla??gia??riz??ing Etymology: plagiary Date: 1716 transitive verb: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source intransitive verb : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.

I really, really wish you would read the full rebuttal on Refiners Fire <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.therefinersfire.org/aent_critics.htm">http://www.therefinersfire.org/aent_critics.htm</a><!-- m --> to see what it really is I am challenging. I am not going for a narrow "barely escapes illegality" paradigm. I am proving that there is no part of the laws of man or of YHWH that has been violated by AENT. PLEASE understand the difference. It doesn't matter to me only that the work escapes illegality in the sense that I already know it does. The point is, let me say it again, PUBLIC DOMAIN WORKS CAN NEITHER HAVE COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT NOR PLAGIARISM ATTACHED TO THEM. I GIVE PROPER ATTRIBUTION TO ALL SOURCES IN AENT.

And finally, in addition to the title of Mari meaning in part "Murdock-Roth-Younan", there is this line in the title page:

Compiled, Edited & Translated with consultation to both
Ancient and Modern Authorities
including:
The Khabouris Codex and the 1905 Edition of the Syriac New Testament
by the British and Foreign Bible Society.

I would hope that you would see that leaving a post open to the interpretation of plagiarism is not a good detail to leave in place.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth


Messages In This Thread
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 07:30 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 04-30-2009, 05:08 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-01-2009, 05:18 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 01:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-02-2009, 10:47 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-02-2009, 07:39 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:52 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:45 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:58 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:48 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 03:46 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:21 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 04:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 07:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:42 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 05-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:19 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:42 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 07:11 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 07:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-05-2009, 02:30 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-05-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by enarxe - 05-06-2009, 12:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-06-2009, 02:57 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-06-2009, 05:33 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-13-2009, 09:44 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 03:12 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 09-14-2009, 06:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 09-14-2009, 11:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 03:33 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 07:02 PM

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