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Luke 24:1
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Shlama Akhi Claud,

claud Wrote:(snip)... but rather than have a good little chuckle to yourself and then write a rather belittling response why don't you explain in detail.

Because we've explained this in detail many times in the past, and I can guarantee you we will be asked to explain it many more times in the future.

The answer to your question will not matter a single Yodh to you....it's been my experience that, more often than not, people like you already have their minds made up and are simply looking for an audience and background applause when no one is willing to match their misplaced passion on the topic.....not because they are not able, but simply because they've been worn down mentally from having to endlessly repeat themselves. It's almost like being interrogated by the FBI over several days, being asked the same question OVER and OVER again....eventually, no matter what the question is, no matter how innocent, the subject just gives up and gives in. <!-- sConfusedarcasm: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sarcasm.gif" alt="Confusedarcasm:" title="Sarcasm" /><!-- sConfusedarcasm: -->

Here is the explanation, in detail:

The word, Ekhad~Khad (Hebrew~Aramaic) is a number. It literally means "one", or figuratively "first".

The word, Shavua~Shaba (Hebrew~Aramaic) is a number. It literally means "seven", or figuratively "week".

In Luke 24:1, The Beth Proclitic, ??, is prepended to both of the words above. The Beth Proclitic, can be used to mean the following:

* on
* in
* of
* by
* through
* with

The translation of b-Khad, therefore, is "on the first".

The translation of b-Shaba, therefore, is "of the week".

The literal name for Sunday, in Aramaic, is "Khad b'Shaba" (first of the week)

The only difference between the Aramaic name for Sunday, "Khad b'Shaba", and Luke 24:1, is a tiny little intsy-wintsy Beth Proclitic before the name of the day.......meaning, instead of "Sunday"....a whoppingly, surprisingly, shockingly different......(drum roll) ...... "ON Sunday."

So there you have it.

And, if you are wondering why I became much more demeaning and sarcastic that Akhan Stephen, it's because there is only one thing more frustrating to me than having to repeat myself over and over again.....that is someone posting with an obvious bias and agenda, under the guise of inquiry, all the while accusing his opponents of being the ones that are influenced by tradition and dogma.

Quote:The point I was making to Stephen was that the counting towards sabbath method of refering to the week days was not used at the time of Yeshua. (snip)...which is transliterated yoma khada (literally, "day one"). A later Aramaic Targum (Onkelos) renders the "first day" as yom khad:

So I suppose in 1Corinthians 16:2, the Apostle Paul, by using the phrase "b'Kul Khad b'Shaba" was using the wrong name of the day of the week, huh? Maybe the Apostle Paul should have consulted the names of the days of the week according to Targum Onkelos? Pretty smart there, you are Claud. You've even bothered to shed some light to us dumb brown folks how our names of the days of the week came to be all screwed up, how silly were we! Duh! Thanks so much for clearing this up for us!

Or wait a minute, this may be better than you originally thought! Perhaps according to this brilliant theory - the Apostle Paul meant for us to only have a collection on that special Sabbath that happens once a year, so we don't have to collect every week....right? Wow, now that's a great theory to propose now that we are in a recession! Perfect!

But Wait! If you order in the next 10 minutes, we'll also throw in Acts 20:7 - where the infamous "Khad b'Shabba" (the wrong name of the day of the week during Meshikha's lifetime, according to Claud) presents itself again. Only this time, it's apparently that "special" Sabbath again....since that makes soooo much sense in the context, of course!

The other glaring problem in your theory: The Sabbath in Aramaic is "Shabtha", not "Shaba". Your explanation for Luke 24:1 makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Quote:This was the whole point of me joining this forum ie to learn.

Oh, don't even go there with the victim act.

That's one hell of a way to present how you came across to everyone else here. A student seeking to learn should not take the tone that you did. What you don't realize is how silly that sounds to someone who actually does know the topic matter. I'm not an expert in Quantum Physics, which is why I would not go onto a forum dedicated to that topic shooting my mouth off about how those scientists are wrong about superfluidity or probability distributions. It doesn't take much to be a Google expert, it also doesn't take much to make a fool out of yourself and needlessly anger and insult a whole bunch of people in the process.

Quote:But it looks to me like you have simply followed the poor translation which has often been used by translators who translate from Greek manuscripts.

Wow, to YOUR trained eye! That really means something to me, Claud. I am humbled and soooo sorry for my poor translation. Again, I'm brown so you have to forgive my ignorance.

Finally, I am not in need of anything from anyone surnamed Jones ... thanks for the link, though.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Messages In This Thread
Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-14-2008, 02:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-14-2008, 04:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-15-2008, 01:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 02:04 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ForHisRenown - 12-15-2008, 02:43 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 04:35 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 06:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ograabe - 12-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 10:04 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 10:56 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 12:41 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 02:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 03:44 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 04:30 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 12:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 12-19-2008, 12:39 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 05:00 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:07 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 06:22 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:03 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by yaaqubyl - 12-19-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by enarxe - 12-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-20-2008, 05:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2008, 05:30 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 07:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 12:28 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-24-2008, 02:01 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:40 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-24-2008, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-28-2008, 10:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 12:13 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 01:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-29-2008, 01:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-29-2008, 04:27 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-29-2008, 04:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Lars Lindgren - 12-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-30-2008, 03:54 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by abudar2000 - 12-30-2008, 10:59 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-28-2009, 02:11 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-29-2009, 02:25 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-31-2009, 02:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-31-2009, 11:29 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 02-02-2009, 09:14 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:46 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-03-2009, 01:51 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-26-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:20 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 02-26-2009, 05:12 PM

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