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Luke 24:1
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Stephen,
First of all let me apologise if I have in anyway upset you,

Your quote below suggests to me that have not taken well to what I have said.
"This topic has been researched here recently. I stand by my statements. The text reads b''khad b'shaba" or "on the first of the week". Otherwise the word b'khad would not appear."

The fact that the topic has been researched recently is not relevant to our debate. You are indeed entitled to stand by your comments. However, I say this with love; your comment, ???The text reads b''khad b'shaba" or "on the first of [the week". Otherwise the word b'khad would not appear." is inaccurate, I am not saying this to be argumentative, I am not trying to trump you or belittle you in anyway. I am someone who seeks biblical truth and this the only reason for challenging what you have said.
I am not going to try and convince I shall merely present the facts as they stand. b''khad b'shaba" or "on the first of the week" as you call it is not present in the text, how do I know?, let me explain, b''khad b'shaba" or d'Had,b'$ab'a` or even D'KHaD,B'SHaB'aA in aramaic is represented as ???????????????????????? which means one into
sabbath which is an idiomatic expression for Sunday. However, notice what is actually written in Aramaic ???????????? ????????????????
in the text.
The ancient Aramaic Targum called Pseudo-Jonathan, which is dated to before the ministry of Messiah Yeshua, renders the end of Gen. 1:5 ("the first day"), as the following:

???????? ??????

...which is transliterated yoma khada (literally, "day one"). A later Aramaic Targum (Onkelos) renders the "first day" as yom khad:

?????? ????

Since Aramaic and Hebrew are pretty similar, the evidence indicates that the first day ("Sunday") was not known as khad b'shabat at the time of Messiah. Usage of this phrase evolved to later mean Sunday, probably 2nd century, and this should not be used to support understanding it that way at the time of Messiah. The more likely scenario is the the one in relation to Sabbath is counting towards Pentecost.
What would "First of the Sabbaths" have meant to a 1st-century Jew? Is there such a thing that would have been understood by those living at that time in Judea?
Absolutely! In fact, Luke 6:1 gives us a clue regarding this phrase:
LUKE 6:1 Now it happened on the SECOND Sabbath after the FIRST that He went through the grainfields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. (NKJV)
What is "the Second Sabbath after the First," and how does it tie in to "one of the sabbaths" mentioned in the Gospels in relation to Yeshua's resurrection? We can find the answer to both questions in Johnston Cheney's discussion of this verse:
Seven sabbaths were to be counted from the Feast of First-fruits or Passover. Consequently, these came to be known as "First Sabbath," "Second Sabbath" etc., down to the seventh. And according to Julian Morgenstern, former President of Hebrew University, this practice continued in Galilee till the time of Christ or the Common Era. It is still observed by some groups in Palestine today. Thus, there was an annual date known as "First Sabbath," just after Passover. (p. 230, The Life of Christ in Stereo)
According to Leviticus 23:15, there were seven weekly Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost that were to be counted. When referring to any of these seven Sabbaths, the Jews would simply call them "one of the Sabbaths." There was an annual date just after Passover at the time of Yeshua known as the "First Sabbath"; this was the first weekly Sabbath after the Passover high Sabbath. "One of the Sabbaths," mentioned by all of the Gospel writers (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19), refers to this very "First Sabbath"! When English translators render the Greek text as "first day of the week," they do so because of tradition. The most logical translation would be the most literal: "One of the Sabbaths."


Shlama w???burkate

Claud.


Messages In This Thread
Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-14-2008, 02:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-14-2008, 04:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-15-2008, 01:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 02:04 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ForHisRenown - 12-15-2008, 02:43 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 04:35 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 06:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by ograabe - 12-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-15-2008, 10:04 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Doug in CO - 12-15-2008, 10:56 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 12:41 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 02:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-17-2008, 03:44 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-17-2008, 04:30 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 12:05 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 12-19-2008, 12:39 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 05:00 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:07 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-19-2008, 06:22 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 01:03 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by yaaqubyl - 12-19-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by enarxe - 12-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 10:53 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-20-2008, 05:29 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2008, 05:30 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 07:23 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-23-2008, 12:28 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-24-2008, 02:01 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:24 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-24-2008, 02:40 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-24-2008, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-28-2008, 10:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 12:13 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Phil - 12-29-2008, 01:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 12-29-2008, 01:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Paul Younan - 12-29-2008, 04:27 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 12-29-2008, 04:34 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Lars Lindgren - 12-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 12-30-2008, 03:54 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by abudar2000 - 12-30-2008, 10:59 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-28-2009, 02:11 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-29-2009, 02:25 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 01-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 01-31-2009, 02:55 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 01-31-2009, 11:29 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-02-2009, 02:53 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Mike Kar - 02-02-2009, 09:14 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-02-2009, 10:46 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-03-2009, 01:51 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Shuvah - 02-03-2009, 01:58 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Dawid - 02-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Thirdwoe - 02-26-2009, 01:45 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:20 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by claud - 02-26-2009, 09:28 AM
Re: Luke 24:1 - by Stephen Silver - 02-26-2009, 05:12 PM

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