10-01-2008, 04:51 AM
Shlama Akhi Spyridon,
As i said, I think you need to look at Qnoma Theory and it will make more sense to you. I think you are confusing Y'shua the man's human office as Messiah and what he was at creation as the pre incarnate Word/Thought. and that per Rev 19:13 he is called the Word again as he ascended into heaven becuase that is the name he has when coming out of heaven . On earth he has manifested as the Son. Within him he has the Divine Qnoma of His Father YHWH that shares the one divine nature. He talks about this clearly in John 5 and 17. The human will is seaprate from the divine will and this creates confusion in the west where people wonder if Y'shua is talking to himself when praying to His Father YHWH.
But he has not manifested as the Father and HS on different days on earth. He was the Word that came from YHWH's mouth pre incarnate, then the Word made flesh into the Son in his first advent, then resurrected in nefesh and ruach three days later, then ascended to the "right hand" of the Father, which means to be next to YHWH in thrones like Dan 7:1-13, after which there is a resurrection of the righteous and wicked (Dan 12) and his second advent, coming from Word and into the Son-ship. But as Y'shua shares two separate natures in him, another COE formulation that I support, the Holy Spirit of his Father YHWH is inside him, and from the perspective of the divine side, he goes from human Messiah to divine Son with his sharing of that one divine nature.
is there another topic you want me to look at? We seem to have really gone over this one throroughly before. It is clear that you have thought more deeply about my view and have a better grasp of it, but not totally, or there wouldn't be these questions which I think I also answered recently before. I am happy to agree to disagree though because again theology issues have created big problems here recently and I don't want to go there now.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
As i said, I think you need to look at Qnoma Theory and it will make more sense to you. I think you are confusing Y'shua the man's human office as Messiah and what he was at creation as the pre incarnate Word/Thought. and that per Rev 19:13 he is called the Word again as he ascended into heaven becuase that is the name he has when coming out of heaven . On earth he has manifested as the Son. Within him he has the Divine Qnoma of His Father YHWH that shares the one divine nature. He talks about this clearly in John 5 and 17. The human will is seaprate from the divine will and this creates confusion in the west where people wonder if Y'shua is talking to himself when praying to His Father YHWH.
But he has not manifested as the Father and HS on different days on earth. He was the Word that came from YHWH's mouth pre incarnate, then the Word made flesh into the Son in his first advent, then resurrected in nefesh and ruach three days later, then ascended to the "right hand" of the Father, which means to be next to YHWH in thrones like Dan 7:1-13, after which there is a resurrection of the righteous and wicked (Dan 12) and his second advent, coming from Word and into the Son-ship. But as Y'shua shares two separate natures in him, another COE formulation that I support, the Holy Spirit of his Father YHWH is inside him, and from the perspective of the divine side, he goes from human Messiah to divine Son with his sharing of that one divine nature.
is there another topic you want me to look at? We seem to have really gone over this one throroughly before. It is clear that you have thought more deeply about my view and have a better grasp of it, but not totally, or there wouldn't be these questions which I think I also answered recently before. I am happy to agree to disagree though because again theology issues have created big problems here recently and I don't want to go there now.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth