For Andrew Gabriel Roth

[Paul Younan]

If though the meaning of that is not the RCC per se but one body of Jewish and Gentile believers who are called to truth in Messiah across the world, then no problem there either.

Of course!

Why would the CoE have approved of a document in the hands of Marutha that claimed to believe in one Holy, Apostolic Roman Catholic Church? They would have kicked him in the proverbial you-know-where and told him to go to the proverbial you-know-where.

The Latin rite centered in the Vatican does NOT have a monopoly on the term "universal." The word "catholic" is Greek meaning "universal" - not just of one ethnic group.

How much more "universal/catholic" can the CoE have been at the time with bishops attending Mar Isaac's Council from Tibet, India and China....and all places in-between?

I personally like your re-wording of the Nicene Creed. Unfortunately, it was a western council not an eastern - otherwise, the wording would probably have been in Aramaic and we could have included terminology like Qnuma.

But again, that's my point to Spyridon - the concepts are the same, but the terminology (and, consequently the word-imagery) is different.

+Shamasha