08-25-2008, 10:56 PM
Akhi Paul,
I cannot argue this anymore. I have given scripture showing that God must die to make the New Covenant effective- Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10.
I have shown that scripture says God became a human being.
Andrew says Yeshua is the most spirit filled man that ever was and ever would be; He was indwelt by YHWH, He was not YHWH Himself.
You cannot answer for Andrew.
He wrote:
That is heresy. It is a flat denial of The absolute Deity of The Messiah. "He was a vessel that contained the Qnoma of YHWH"?
Every born again believer is a vessel that contains the Qnoma of YHWH. YHWH's Spirit dwells in everyone who knows Him and trusts in Him.
That is not Who He is; you are saying that is what He received. That is irrelevant.
"I AM The LIFE", He said. That is Who He is and What He is.
"I AM The TRUTH", He said. That is Who He is and What He is.
"If you do not believe "I AM God" (ENa na), you shall die in your sins."
"Neither can a man say that Yeshuais LORD Jehovah, except by the Holy Spirit. Note, He is YHWH , not merely "has" YHWH in Him, as in a vessel.
There is an infinite distance between confessing Yeshua has YHWH in Him and confessing that Yeshua is YHWH.
But Andrew spoke his mind and heart, so I am not interested in hearing him modify or qualify his statements to mollify the situation or smooth things over.
I have heard enough and will move on. Everyone seems reconciled to Andrew's view of The Messiah. I am sickened by the whole thing.
Please remove my membership, my forum and my web site link.
I give my blessing to those who Love our Lord and Savior Yeshua.
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha." 1 Cor. 16:22
Dave
I cannot argue this anymore. I have given scripture showing that God must die to make the New Covenant effective- Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10.
I have shown that scripture says God became a human being.
Andrew says Yeshua is the most spirit filled man that ever was and ever would be; He was indwelt by YHWH, He was not YHWH Himself.
You cannot answer for Andrew.
He wrote:
Quote:But that is not to say Y'shua is just another man--he is the ONLY HUMAN to have the spirit of YHWH dwell fully and completely in him from conception and the only one whom prophecy (Ex 23:20-22, Zech 12:10) said would be the pierced vessel that contained the Qnoma of YHWH. YHWH gave him special life, power, judgment, etc, that no one before or ever again will have, so that when it was combined with perfect obedience to Father YHWH, His sacrifice would be acceptable as an offering.
That is heresy. It is a flat denial of The absolute Deity of The Messiah. "He was a vessel that contained the Qnoma of YHWH"?
Every born again believer is a vessel that contains the Qnoma of YHWH. YHWH's Spirit dwells in everyone who knows Him and trusts in Him.
Quote:"God gave Him Life,power,judgment,etc.."
That is not Who He is; you are saying that is what He received. That is irrelevant.
"I AM The LIFE", He said. That is Who He is and What He is.
"I AM The TRUTH", He said. That is Who He is and What He is.
"If you do not believe "I AM God" (ENa na), you shall die in your sins."
"Neither can a man say that Yeshuais LORD Jehovah, except by the Holy Spirit. Note, He is YHWH , not merely "has" YHWH in Him, as in a vessel.
There is an infinite distance between confessing Yeshua has YHWH in Him and confessing that Yeshua is YHWH.
But Andrew spoke his mind and heart, so I am not interested in hearing him modify or qualify his statements to mollify the situation or smooth things over.
I have heard enough and will move on. Everyone seems reconciled to Andrew's view of The Messiah. I am sickened by the whole thing.
Please remove my membership, my forum and my web site link.
I give my blessing to those who Love our Lord and Savior Yeshua.
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha." 1 Cor. 16:22
Dave