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Lord and God
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Christina Wrote:Yes Positron Elohim (God) has only ONE name:

Exodus 3:13-15
13 Moshe said to Elohim, "When I come to the Israelites and say to them 'The Elohim of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 And Elohim said to Moshe, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh." He continued, "Thus shall you say to the Israelites, 'Ehyeh sent me to you.'" 15 And Elohim said further to Moshe, "Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Avraham, the Elohim of Yitzha'aq, and the Elohim of Ya'aqov, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.

The name that Elohim refers to is YHWH NOT Ehyeh or Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh, which are titles NOT names, same with "Elohim of..." these are titles NOT names, Elohim's name is YHWH, and He's very firm on this point:

This shall be My name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.

How do we KNOW that YHWH is The Name He refers to? Where else in Scripture does Elohim call Himself Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh??? But YHWH appears over 7000 times in the Hebrew Tanakh, Positron, absolutely NO-ONE in their right mind (past & present) disputes that the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is the one and ONLY name of Almighty Elohim!

Elohim's name is YHWH, and He has no other name by which He is to be addressed, period! Titles like Elohim, El Shaddai, El Elyon, Adonai, MarYAH, etc. are another matter though, but don't confuse a name with a title, they are NOT the same thing.

Christina, thank you so much for the clarification that the original name of Jehovah is one name YHWH. Now I am more focus on the exact name of our Holy God. I wonder as why Lamsa Aramaic Translation did not has the word "YHWH" in the same passage as quoted below.

EXODUS 3:13 "And Moses said to God, Behold, when I go to the children of Israel and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say to them?
14 And God said to Moses, I am AHIAH ASHAR HIGH (that is, THE LIVING GOD); and he said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: AHIAH has sent me to you.
15 And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel: (missing? YHWH) The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations." (LAMSA)

As Hebrew and Aramaic are sisters language, I expect that the unknown word like "YHWH" to be retained for the sake of integrity in the English Bible Translation. Sadly there are some omissions of holy words in the English Translation.

What is Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh versus AHIAH ASHAR HIGH ? I cannot see that Ehyeh = High even though I am Hebrew & Aramaic illiterate. I heavily depend on good Aramaic-English translation to know the truth of Aramaic primacy.

Quote:Firstly, do remember that there is more than one Greek NT, there's the Textus Receptus (KJV is based on this), Byzantine Majority Text & Alexandrian Critical Text (base for NIV), and these texts have lot's of variants between them.

As for the "Lord/LORD" issue, while this is an ambiguous mess in the Greek texts, I assure you that in the Peshitta, MarYAH is used for both the Father and Yeshua, leaving no doubt that they are ONE, as Yeshua says. But while MarYAH is used for Yeshua and the Father, it is not used for anyone else, every other master/lord in the Peshitta is called "mar".

Hope this was helpful.

Yes, I know about the Greek Textus Receptus (Byzantine Text) and Codex Sinaiticus (Alexandrian Text) which are at variant with each other in terms of length of the verses and variations in words. It is good that Aramaic Peshitta NT at least answer the reason for the variations in both Greek manuscripts as certain words have more than one meaning and the Greek translators use different choice of words. I have stopped accusing of manuscripts being altered after knowing better of Aramaic primacy. My intention is to connect the titles of Lord and God together for Lord Jesus Christ to prove His divinity from the Scriptures. For instance Romans 9:5 is very good example of the strength of Greek and Aramaic texts that show Jesus is God beyond doubt for those who do not believe that Lord Jesus is The Son of the Most High YHWH.

Romans 9:5
KJV: ???Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.???

NIV: ???Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.???

The KJV, plays with the grammar of the Greek, changing the meaning, while the NIV (often seen as opposing Jesus??? divinity) is true to the Greek and proclaims Jesus??? divinity.

From the Greek in Romans 9:5 (both Byzantine and Alexandrian), we get the impression that Jesus is God, as the word is ???????? (theos). The word ???theos??? in the Greek, is ???Alaha???. The Peshitta makes it clear that Jesus is God.

Romans 9:5 and from among whom, Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is God over all; to whom be praises and benediction, for ever and ever; Amen. (Peshitta - Murdock)

Murdock - John 1:18 No man hath ever seen God; the only begotten God, he who is in the bosom of his Father, he hath declared [him].

NIV - John 1:18 No one has ever seen God but God the One and Only who is at the Father's side has made him known.

KJV - 1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Murdock - 1Tim 3:16 and truly great, is this mystery of righteousness, which was revealed in the flesh, and justified in the spirit, and seen by angels, and proclaimed among the Gentiles, and believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

NIV - 1 Tim 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He (*some manuscripts God) appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

All the translations have their strength and weaknesses. Most importantly the truth is priceless that Lord Jesus is God the Almighty.

It is a great joy to know that the nature of Jesus is the same as His Father. The Lord our God is One Lord! One Lord is Jesus the Messiah. So the Lord our God is Jesus the Messiah!

Praises to Lord YHWH

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Lord and God - by markt - 08-12-2008, 06:25 AM
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Re: Lord and God - by abudar2000 - 08-13-2008, 12:50 AM
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Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-14-2008, 08:54 AM
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Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-14-2008, 05:21 PM
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Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-17-2008, 04:51 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-18-2008, 05:03 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-18-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-18-2008, 08:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-19-2008, 09:21 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-19-2008, 06:08 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-19-2008, 06:09 PM
Re: Lord and God - by glscottnz - 08-19-2008, 09:14 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-19-2008, 09:57 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-20-2008, 08:17 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-20-2008, 06:38 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-22-2008, 09:16 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-22-2008, 05:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 10-20-2008, 02:40 PM
Re: Lord and God - by judge - 10-21-2008, 06:38 AM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-25-2008, 01:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 10-25-2008, 03:38 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-26-2008, 05:06 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Stephen Silver - 10-26-2008, 09:14 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-31-2008, 06:36 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Christina - 10-31-2008, 09:14 PM
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