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Lord and God
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positron Wrote:
Paul Younan Wrote:Positron, you know the difference between proper names and titles, right? God only has one Name.

Good God has one Holy Name YHWH. But what is the verse in Exodus about His Name and not Title? Is it a wrong translation from Greek manuscript?

Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his NAME? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, "The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob", hath sent me unto you: this is my NAME forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (KJV)

Versus

Peshitta Aramaic Lamsa translation also state "What is His Name?" & This is my Name.

So who is right? Bible is right or you are right - one Name YHWH???

Yes Positron Elohim (God) has only ONE name:

Exodus 3:13-15
13 Moshe said to Elohim, "When I come to the Israelites and say to them 'The Elohim of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 And Elohim said to Moshe, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh." He continued, "Thus shall you say to the Israelites, 'Ehyeh sent me to you.'" 15 And Elohim said further to Moshe, "Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Avraham, the Elohim of Yitzha'aq, and the Elohim of Ya'aqov, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.

The name that Elohim refers to is YHWH NOT Ehyeh or Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh, which are titles NOT names, same with "Elohim of..." these are titles NOT names, Elohim's name is YHWH, and He's very firm on this point:

This shall be My name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.

How do we KNOW that YHWH is The Name He refers to? Where else in Scripture does Elohim call Himself Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh??? But YHWH appears over 7000 times in the Hebrew Tanakh, Positron, absolutely NO-ONE in their right mind (past & present) disputes that the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is the one and ONLY name of Almighty Elohim!

Elohim's name is YHWH, and He has no other name by which He is to be addressed, period! Titles like Elohim, El Shaddai, El Elyon, Adonai, MarYAH, etc. are another matter though, but don't confuse a name with a title, they are NOT the same thing.

positron Wrote:Jesus who is God Himself, in His grace, tasted death for all men.

Heb 2:9 But we see him, who was depressed somewhat lower than the angels, to be this Jesus, because of the passion of his death; and glory and honor are placed on his head; for God himself, in his grace, tasted death for all men. (Peshitta Murdock)

This is NOT the authentic Peshitta reading of Hebrews 2:9.

Quote:Jesus is God over all
Rom 9:5 and from among whom, Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is God over all; to whom be praises and benediction, for ever and ever; Amen. (Peshitta Murdock)
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. (KJV)

What's your point?

Quote:Jesus has an everlasting Kingdom and is MarYah (Lord)
2Pe 1:11 For thus will entrance be given you abundantly, into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Redeemer Jesus the Messiah. (Peshitta)
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (KJV)

Mark 12:29 Jesus said to him: The first of all the commandments [is]: Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord (Murdock)

1Co 8:6 yet to us, on our part, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord, Jesus the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we also by him. (Murdock)

Eph 4:5 For, the Lord is one, and the faith one, and the baptism one;
Eph 4:6 and one God is the Father of all, and over all, and by all, and in us all. (Murdock)

Now here is the equation for illustration as how one God and one Lord is connected:-
1) (Mark 12:29) the Lord our God is one Lord (God = One Lord)
2) (1Co 8:6) One Lord Jesus the Messiah (One Lord = Jesus the Messiah)

Combine 1 + 2 = The Lord our God is Jesus the Messiah

Again, what's your point? We already knew that.

Quote:I understand that the word "LORD" for Lord God in the OT and the Lord Jesus the Messiah in the NT are the same "MarYah" in Aramaic. And I do not think that the vocabulary in Aramaic is limited in view of being used widely before the time of Christ. So there should not be any limitation for sharing of words like LORD GOD or Lord Jesus in small letters to differentiate their rank. After all the DNA of God the Father and DNA of Jesus are the same and one LORD.

You do know that in Aramaic (and Hebrew) script, there are no capital or miniscule letters like in Greek or English, don't you? Have ever looked at the actual Aramaic text itself and not just the English translations?

Quote:In Greek the Lord is Kurios and God is theos
Hear, O Israel; the Lord (kurios) our God is one Lord (Kurios)

2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord (Kurios) and Savior Jesus Christ. (KJV)

Does both Aramaic and Greek prove that Lord God and Lord Jesus are the same one LORD (Kurios)?

Anyone has new insights on why Lord Jesus is written in small letter "Lord" and not LORD Jesus to be equal to LORD GOD since they are one? (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.) It seems to me that God the Father and Lord Jesus are two "qnome" and yet one in the Spirit. God is a Spirit (John 4:24)

Firstly, do remember that there is more than one Greek NT, there's the Textus Receptus (KJV is based on this), Byzantine Majority Text & Alexandrian Critical Text (base for NIV), and these texts have lot's of variants between them.

As for the "Lord/LORD" issue, while this is an ambiguous mess in the Greek texts, I assure you that in the Peshitta, MarYAH is used for both the Father and Yeshua, leaving no doubt that they are ONE, as Yeshua says. But while MarYAH is used for Yeshua and the Father, it is not used for anyone else, every other master/lord in the Peshitta is called "mar".

Hope this was helpful.
Shalom, Shlama, Salaam & Yiasou.
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Lord and God - by markt - 08-12-2008, 06:25 AM
Re: Lord and God - by abudar2000 - 08-12-2008, 12:41 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-12-2008, 06:45 PM
Re: Lord and God - by abudar2000 - 08-13-2008, 12:50 AM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-13-2008, 01:00 AM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-14-2008, 08:54 AM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-14-2008, 03:56 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-14-2008, 05:21 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-14-2008, 05:28 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-17-2008, 04:51 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-18-2008, 05:03 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-18-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-18-2008, 08:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-19-2008, 09:21 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-19-2008, 06:08 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-19-2008, 06:09 PM
Re: Lord and God - by glscottnz - 08-19-2008, 09:14 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-19-2008, 09:57 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-20-2008, 08:17 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Re: Lord and God - by *Albion* - 08-20-2008, 06:38 PM
Re: Lord and God - by markt - 08-22-2008, 09:16 AM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 08-22-2008, 05:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 10-20-2008, 02:40 PM
Re: Lord and God - by judge - 10-21-2008, 06:38 AM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-25-2008, 01:24 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Paul Younan - 10-25-2008, 03:38 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-26-2008, 05:06 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Stephen Silver - 10-26-2008, 09:14 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 10-31-2008, 06:36 PM
Re: Lord and God - by Christina - 10-31-2008, 09:14 PM
Re: Lord and God - by positron - 11-01-2008, 01:52 AM
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