07-23-2008, 09:42 PM
Shlama Kingskeep,
You know, I bought Joseph Elias' book: 'Living Words; The Words of Christ In Aramaic-English Interlinear Edition', when Elias first published it back in 2002.
It's definitely NOT the Eastern Syriac that he's quoting from.
His words translated (or transliterated) into English don't even translate correctly.
He says on the bottom of page 3 in fact: "The Aramaic transcription in English alphabet adopted in this edition SHOULD APPROXIMATE THE ARAMAIC pronunciation and give the reader an experience of hearing Christ speaking in His native language."
This sounds sort of like Lamsa, or Rocco Errico to me.
But I've learned enough transliterated Hebrew and Syriac now, to where this "language" of Elias is NEITHER of those.
That's strange to me.
He should have taken the Eastern Text of the P'shitta New Covenant and simply transliterated it, but that's just my two pence worth.
What is it with these guys that they take something so simple to do, and screw it up!? <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->
Shlama in Messiah, Albion
You know, I bought Joseph Elias' book: 'Living Words; The Words of Christ In Aramaic-English Interlinear Edition', when Elias first published it back in 2002.
It's definitely NOT the Eastern Syriac that he's quoting from.
His words translated (or transliterated) into English don't even translate correctly.
He says on the bottom of page 3 in fact: "The Aramaic transcription in English alphabet adopted in this edition SHOULD APPROXIMATE THE ARAMAIC pronunciation and give the reader an experience of hearing Christ speaking in His native language."
This sounds sort of like Lamsa, or Rocco Errico to me.
But I've learned enough transliterated Hebrew and Syriac now, to where this "language" of Elias is NEITHER of those.
That's strange to me.
He should have taken the Eastern Text of the P'shitta New Covenant and simply transliterated it, but that's just my two pence worth.
What is it with these guys that they take something so simple to do, and screw it up!? <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->
Shlama in Messiah, Albion
kingskeep Wrote:Greetings all!
I've been studying Paul Younan's Interlinear Peshitta and learning the Estrangelo script. In seeking to know how to pronounce the Aramaic, I came across "Living Words" by Joseph Elias. The transliterations he provides have been helpful, but the transliterations sometimes don't match completely or seem to be reflecting pronunciation rules of which I am unfamiliar, such as when a "nuwn" seems to go silent or becomes a "waw." I don't know if this is a grammatical issue or if it is a discrepancy between texts.
Are there resources available which present transliterated Aramaic alongside the Estrangelo script in order to learn pronunciation?
Would either "Teach Yourself Aramaic" (swadaya script) by Mar Aprem or "Classical Aramaic" by Dr. Errico and Fr. Bazzi provide a good grounding that would assist in learning pronunciation of the Peshitta in the Estrangelo script? Do the other scripts represent the same sounds just in a different form of writing?
Shlama,
kingskeep