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Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24
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Quote:You have ignored the "2 or 3 witnesses" principle with regard to the 3 Gospels in Greek having "camel". You have ignored the grammatical argument I repeated at least twice.
Dave

David Bauscher's compiled JUNK LIST for "gamal"
1. "Doing good or evil"
2. "Camel driver"
3. "Camelopard"
4. "Ass driver"
5. "One walking forward and backward"
6. "Bestowment"
7. "Dromedary"
8. "a couple"
9. "Teaming arrangement"
10. " A small bridge"
11. "Crossboard"
12. "A large thing"
13. "Gamala in Galilee"
14. "Gamaliel" (abbrev.)
15. "Camel"
16. "A beam"
17. large ant Syr.
18.n.m. "portion of leg"


Shlama Akhi David:
You seem to vascilate between Greek primacy and Aramaic primacy. Three mentions of "gamal" in three Gospels of the Peshitta New Testament shows the consistency of the use of "gamal". "Gamal" can mean "camel" or "beam" contextually. That's the short list, David. Who cares if the Greek New Testament translates "gamal" as "camel". I'm repeating myself, David. Either you stand by your "junk" list or you don't. Is it "Gamaliel" or "Gamla/Zealot fortress" or "ass-driver"? Why not just say, "anything goes"? Not every word from your compiled list is valid in this illustration of "gamal" and "the eye of a needle". Your argument is hollow, being either "definitive" and choosing "one specific meaning" or "choosing all possible meanings". The context must not conflict with any other precept of the scriptures. I ignore your grammatical analysis because most of your arguments are isogetic/circular and thus grammatically irrelevant. If you have erred in the obvious, just quit. If and when you hit the mark, Akhi David and it rings true, I'm sure that you will receive many kudos, but not for your errors here.
Now, if you want to open another topic about "the "camel-hair garment" worn by John, I'll be in agreement with you. However, in these three passages about what passes through the eye of a needle I'm going to allow either "camel" or "beam". I have noticed that your list doesn't include "rope" or "cord" or "cable". It's interesting that you mentioned a Greek Uncial that translates "gamal" as "cable". The Uncial text type is 4th Century as the Sinaiticus Petropolitanus. So, even though it's 10th century it could be a copy of an extant fourth century manuscript. Is this credible? I don't know.

Quote:Every synoptic Greek Gospel has "Camel" for this saying; only one Greek Uncial ms. (10th cent.) has "kamilov" -"cable" in Luke 18:25.

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Shlama,
Stephen
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Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by ograabe - 06-26-2008, 11:30 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by yaaqubyl - 07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-02-2008, 11:50 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by *Albion* - 07-03-2008, 12:12 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-03-2008, 12:58 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by yaaqubyl - 07-03-2008, 10:12 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by ograabe - 07-05-2008, 12:31 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-08-2008, 09:42 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-21-2008, 08:50 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-22-2008, 01:47 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-22-2008, 07:37 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-23-2008, 04:19 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-23-2008, 07:15 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-24-2008, 06:58 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-25-2008, 12:13 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Stephen Silver - 07-25-2008, 04:47 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-25-2008, 01:30 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by ograabe - 07-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by ograabe - 07-26-2008, 10:18 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-26-2008, 11:16 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Paul Younan - 07-27-2008, 02:13 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Paul Younan - 07-27-2008, 03:34 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Paul Younan - 07-27-2008, 04:59 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-27-2008, 04:03 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Paul Younan - 07-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by ograabe - 07-27-2008, 08:20 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-27-2008, 08:34 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Paul Younan - 07-27-2008, 08:52 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Amatsyah - 07-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by *Albion* - 07-28-2008, 04:39 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by gbausc - 07-28-2008, 02:21 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by konway87 - 05-19-2010, 12:15 AM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by konway87 - 05-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by Jerry - 05-22-2010, 05:03 PM
Re: Camel or Rope? Matt: 19:24 - by distazo - 05-23-2010, 06:58 AM

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