04-22-2008, 12:27 AM
Ga 3:13 But the Messiah hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, and hath been a curse for us; (for it is written, Cursed is everyone that is hanged on a tree
Was He also not made a curse for us?
Pe 2:24 And he took away all our sins, and, in his body, lifted them to the cross; that we, when dead to sin, might live by his righteousness: for by his wounds, ye are healed.
Was He not our sin bearer? We may not look upon "becoming sin" as literal; it was a legal transaction. He took our place as sinners and bore our sins and gave us His righteousness. What do you think He was doing on the cross? He died the death of the soul that every sinner dies (The soul that sinneth, it shall die.)
I agree that Yeshua was a sin offering. I also believe Paul wrote that He became the accursed one because He was able to take all the sin that ever was or would be unto Himself and die as a sinner in our place. The Eastern Peshitta NT I just received says in this verse 2 Cor. 5:21 :"He became a sinner for us." Most mss. apparently have "sin" , but it illustrates the view I am discussing. Our Lord was absolutely Holy and was The Righteousness of God Himself. Only He could absorb, take away and atone for all sin by exchanging His absolute and infinite Holiness for all sin; He became sin; we become God's righteousness in return; He died and we died with Him :2 Cor 5:14. He arose and we arose with Him. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." What is true in Physics is also true in the spiritual realm. He dies-we live.
Only because He is Who He is can this happen
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
There was a spiritual aspect to the atonement; it was not all simply a physical offering, though that was involved as well.
6 (ERV) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Consider how much iniquity that was; it was for all souls of all time of all the world, and "the earth abides forever."- Eccles. 1:4. It is tantamount to saying, if not quite literally: "He became sin in our place- in our behalf." He absorbed infinite sin; He was saturated and surrounded with sin; it filled His mind, heart and Soul. God did not want His Holy Son to suffer and die; He wanted sin to die. People have the idea that God The Father wanted blood, pain and death from an innocent soul for our sin, and that would satisfy Him somehow. What a monstrosity of a God! God never would want an innocent person to suffer and die. But God was willing to suffer and die to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself, Soul and Body.
Consider the following passage of The Book of Hebrews from The Peshitta:
16. For where there is a testament, it shows the death of him who made it;
17. But it is only valid concerning one who is dead, because as long as he who made it lives, there is no use for it.
18. Because of this, not even the first was established without blood.
19. For when the entire ordinance which was in The Law had been commanded by Moses to the people, Moses took the blood of a heifer and water with scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled upon the scrolls and upon all the people.
20. And he said to them, "This is the blood of The Covenant which was commanded you by God."
21. Also he sprinkled blood upon the Tabernacle and upon all the vessels of the ministry,
22. Because all things are purged by blood in The Written Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23. For it is necessary that these things which are symbols of the Heavenly are purified by these things, but the Heavenly by better sacrifices than these.
24. For it was not The Holy Place made by hands that The Messiah entered, and which was the symbol of the real one, but he entered Heaven to appear before the face of God in our place;
25. And not that he should offer himself many times, as The High Priest was doing and entered The Holy Place every year with blood that was not his;
26. Otherwise, he ought to have suffered many times from the beginning of the world, but now in the end of the world, he has offered himself one time to destroy sin by his sacrifice.
27. And just as it is appointed to the children of men to die once, and after their deaths the judgment,
28. In this way also, The Messiah was offered one time and he slaughtered in his Person the sins of the many, but the second time he appears without our sins, for the life of those who expect him. (My translation of The Peshitta)
Who made the New Covenant? -(See v.16) That Covenant and Will could only become effective if God were to die. The only way God could die would be to sin or to become sin. Jesus never sinned; scripture says so, but it does say He became sin. You say sin is an act. Scripture says more than that. Scripture says it is evil ("Awala in Aramaic).See 1 John 3:4 yh alwe hlk ryg atyjx ("All sin is Awala"). I believe the English word "Evil" comes from the Aramaic "Evla"-"Evl" (transliterated) which is often rendered "iniquity" or "unrighteousness". The Apostle Paul wrote that sin resided within him (Romans 7:17,20,23) Sin was "a Law that resides in my members"; it is more than a deed; it is a power and law that takes people captive and enslaves them to evil- 7:23.
Could God make Himself evil? God can do anything He wants to do. Would God make Himself evil? Why in the world would He do something like that? Because it would be the only way He could die, and He had to die in order to save us. Sounds radical, I know. There is nothing more radical than the Love of God in Christ.
13. ???There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends." John 15:13 (again, my translation of The Peshitta)
Does God The Father have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. Does God The Son have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. Does God The Spirit of Holiness have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. And this they each did at the cross, in the body and Soul of MarYah Yeshua Meshikha, "in Whom dwells ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Colossians 2:9
Did Jesus become sin for us. You bet He did! Was He too Holy to touch evil? No, He was too Holy not to touch evil. He was too holy to remain in Heaven; He was too Holy to remain in glory and be worshipped day and night; He was too Holy to remain above us all and keep His hands clean and His garments spotless. He was too Holy to fellowship with saints and angels for eternity. He was too Holy to remain immortal and temptation free. He was too Holy to shield Himself from suffering, want, poverty, pain and tears. He certainly was too Holy to watch a lost world of souls die one by one and remain forever lost and dead. There was only one way to save them, and that was to become infinite Sin Himself- absorbing all the evil the universe could ever muster and throw at Him, and destroy it once for all in the Death of all deaths in His own Person on the cross, killing sin with Himself, and taking sinners out with Him as well :"If The One died for all, then everyone died with Him." 2 Cor. 5:14
And then He arose!
Some may think I am insane. I am proud to say I am! Paul was accused of the same kind of insanity:"Festus cried out with a loud voice, "You are insane, Paul! Much study has made you insane!" 25. Paulus said, "I am not insane, excellent Festus, but I am speaking words of truth and integrity."
10. We are insane because of The Messiah, but you are sensible in The Messiah. We are weak and you are mighty; you are praised and we are despised.1 Cor. 4:10 (my translation)
13. For if we are insane, it is for God, and if we are conventional, it is for you.
14. For the love of The Messiah compels us to reason this: The One died in the place of every person; so then every person died with him.
2 Cor. 5:13-14
I felt compelled by the Love of God to write the above insanity. Thanks for listening!
Many Blessings in our Incomparable Savior LORD Jehovah Christ!
Dave Bauscher
Was He also not made a curse for us?
Pe 2:24 And he took away all our sins, and, in his body, lifted them to the cross; that we, when dead to sin, might live by his righteousness: for by his wounds, ye are healed.
Was He not our sin bearer? We may not look upon "becoming sin" as literal; it was a legal transaction. He took our place as sinners and bore our sins and gave us His righteousness. What do you think He was doing on the cross? He died the death of the soul that every sinner dies (The soul that sinneth, it shall die.)
I agree that Yeshua was a sin offering. I also believe Paul wrote that He became the accursed one because He was able to take all the sin that ever was or would be unto Himself and die as a sinner in our place. The Eastern Peshitta NT I just received says in this verse 2 Cor. 5:21 :"He became a sinner for us." Most mss. apparently have "sin" , but it illustrates the view I am discussing. Our Lord was absolutely Holy and was The Righteousness of God Himself. Only He could absorb, take away and atone for all sin by exchanging His absolute and infinite Holiness for all sin; He became sin; we become God's righteousness in return; He died and we died with Him :2 Cor 5:14. He arose and we arose with Him. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." What is true in Physics is also true in the spiritual realm. He dies-we live.
Only because He is Who He is can this happen
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
There was a spiritual aspect to the atonement; it was not all simply a physical offering, though that was involved as well.
6 (ERV) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Consider how much iniquity that was; it was for all souls of all time of all the world, and "the earth abides forever."- Eccles. 1:4. It is tantamount to saying, if not quite literally: "He became sin in our place- in our behalf." He absorbed infinite sin; He was saturated and surrounded with sin; it filled His mind, heart and Soul. God did not want His Holy Son to suffer and die; He wanted sin to die. People have the idea that God The Father wanted blood, pain and death from an innocent soul for our sin, and that would satisfy Him somehow. What a monstrosity of a God! God never would want an innocent person to suffer and die. But God was willing to suffer and die to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself, Soul and Body.
Consider the following passage of The Book of Hebrews from The Peshitta:
16. For where there is a testament, it shows the death of him who made it;
17. But it is only valid concerning one who is dead, because as long as he who made it lives, there is no use for it.
18. Because of this, not even the first was established without blood.
19. For when the entire ordinance which was in The Law had been commanded by Moses to the people, Moses took the blood of a heifer and water with scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled upon the scrolls and upon all the people.
20. And he said to them, "This is the blood of The Covenant which was commanded you by God."
21. Also he sprinkled blood upon the Tabernacle and upon all the vessels of the ministry,
22. Because all things are purged by blood in The Written Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23. For it is necessary that these things which are symbols of the Heavenly are purified by these things, but the Heavenly by better sacrifices than these.
24. For it was not The Holy Place made by hands that The Messiah entered, and which was the symbol of the real one, but he entered Heaven to appear before the face of God in our place;
25. And not that he should offer himself many times, as The High Priest was doing and entered The Holy Place every year with blood that was not his;
26. Otherwise, he ought to have suffered many times from the beginning of the world, but now in the end of the world, he has offered himself one time to destroy sin by his sacrifice.
27. And just as it is appointed to the children of men to die once, and after their deaths the judgment,
28. In this way also, The Messiah was offered one time and he slaughtered in his Person the sins of the many, but the second time he appears without our sins, for the life of those who expect him. (My translation of The Peshitta)
Who made the New Covenant? -(See v.16) That Covenant and Will could only become effective if God were to die. The only way God could die would be to sin or to become sin. Jesus never sinned; scripture says so, but it does say He became sin. You say sin is an act. Scripture says more than that. Scripture says it is evil ("Awala in Aramaic).See 1 John 3:4 yh alwe hlk ryg atyjx ("All sin is Awala"). I believe the English word "Evil" comes from the Aramaic "Evla"-"Evl" (transliterated) which is often rendered "iniquity" or "unrighteousness". The Apostle Paul wrote that sin resided within him (Romans 7:17,20,23) Sin was "a Law that resides in my members"; it is more than a deed; it is a power and law that takes people captive and enslaves them to evil- 7:23.
Could God make Himself evil? God can do anything He wants to do. Would God make Himself evil? Why in the world would He do something like that? Because it would be the only way He could die, and He had to die in order to save us. Sounds radical, I know. There is nothing more radical than the Love of God in Christ.
13. ???There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends." John 15:13 (again, my translation of The Peshitta)
Does God The Father have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. Does God The Son have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. Does God The Spirit of Holiness have the greatest love possible? Only if He lays down His Life for His friends. And this they each did at the cross, in the body and Soul of MarYah Yeshua Meshikha, "in Whom dwells ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Colossians 2:9
Did Jesus become sin for us. You bet He did! Was He too Holy to touch evil? No, He was too Holy not to touch evil. He was too holy to remain in Heaven; He was too Holy to remain in glory and be worshipped day and night; He was too Holy to remain above us all and keep His hands clean and His garments spotless. He was too Holy to fellowship with saints and angels for eternity. He was too Holy to remain immortal and temptation free. He was too Holy to shield Himself from suffering, want, poverty, pain and tears. He certainly was too Holy to watch a lost world of souls die one by one and remain forever lost and dead. There was only one way to save them, and that was to become infinite Sin Himself- absorbing all the evil the universe could ever muster and throw at Him, and destroy it once for all in the Death of all deaths in His own Person on the cross, killing sin with Himself, and taking sinners out with Him as well :"If The One died for all, then everyone died with Him." 2 Cor. 5:14
And then He arose!
Some may think I am insane. I am proud to say I am! Paul was accused of the same kind of insanity:"Festus cried out with a loud voice, "You are insane, Paul! Much study has made you insane!" 25. Paulus said, "I am not insane, excellent Festus, but I am speaking words of truth and integrity."
10. We are insane because of The Messiah, but you are sensible in The Messiah. We are weak and you are mighty; you are praised and we are despised.1 Cor. 4:10 (my translation)
13. For if we are insane, it is for God, and if we are conventional, it is for you.
14. For the love of The Messiah compels us to reason this: The One died in the place of every person; so then every person died with him.
2 Cor. 5:13-14
I felt compelled by the Love of God to write the above insanity. Thanks for listening!
Many Blessings in our Incomparable Savior LORD Jehovah Christ!
Dave Bauscher