12-13-2007, 12:10 AM
Shlama Jason,
I'm disabled and spend a lot of time online right now, because it's very cold and snowy here in Northern Iowa, where we live.
So consequently, I can answer posts pretty quickly.
First, I'm gonna answer your question about Neil Douglas Klotz.
He's a Sufi, NOT a Christian, or a Messianic Believer.
Sufi's are a sort of mystic branch of the Muslim religion.
Since Klotz writes like a pagan, I'm going to assume that he IS A PAGAN.
Klotz CLAIMS that he writes "The Lord's Prayer" in Aramaic.
That's simply a lie.
What Klotz writes is what HE BELIEVES the Lord's Prayer *should be*.
NOT what IT IS in Aramaic/Syriac.
Paganism and Christianity DO NOT MIX.
Yeshua was a wandering Jewish Rabbi.
He was VERY 'Orthodox', in the sense of what that means today, and He was God's Son, and Our Savior.
He was an 'Chasid'. Look that up in a good Jewish dictionary.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article_cdo/aid/222872/jewish/What-is-a-Chassid.htm">http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article_ ... hassid.htm</a><!-- m -->
(This article mentions Kabbalah, and Yeshua definately WAS NOT into the Kabbalah!)
I can't think of an equal English language equivalent at the moment.
Let me discuss George M. Lamsa.
Lamsa came out of the ancient Assyrian Church of the East, and he spoke Syriac, but his views from around the 1940's forward, were polluted by The Unity School of Christianity, and what then was called 'Science of the Mind'.
We would call it 'New Age' beliefs today.
For example, Lamsa changed a lot of the New Testament to reflect HIS VIEWS that demons were merely mental illness.
That's NOT what Eshoo/Yeshua believed, nor is it how He lived.
He frequently cast demons out of people.
I realize that you just ordered George Lamsa's translation, but if it was ME, I'd avoid it.
Victor Alexander is also a member of the Assyrian Church of the East but his translation has problems of it's own, just as Lamsa's does.
I'll SOMETIMES use Victor's translation as a supplement, but it's also unreliable as one's main Bible (or New Testament).
You asked how the P'shitta NT is different than English translations from the Greek (NIV, NKJV, etc., etc.).
As Dave Bauscher says "The Peshitta is only about 1% percent different, but it's A BIG 1%!".
The Syriac P'shitta has rhyme and poetry and a lot of word plays, and we miss ALL of that in a Greek to English translation.
The "roots" of The Assyrian Church of the East are Jewish and so the P'shitta NT is also a profoundly Jewish book.
I would really encourage you to research the Assyrian Church of the East, that's how I first came to the P'shitta NT, long ago back in the 1980's.
You can look at Paul Younan's Peshitta translation right here at Peshitta.org
and see how very different it is from Neil Douglas Klotz' 'The Lords Prayer'.
Just avoid Klotz' works all together, they are pagan, as I said before.
I'm sure that you'll have many many more questions as you read this. There are many fine Syriac scholars here who know A LOT MORE than do I, but if you have questions that I can answer, I'll be glad to try to give it a shot.
Here's a GREAT sung version of 'The Lord's Prayer' in Syriac:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAEIrp4MFBE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAEIrp4MFBE</a><!-- m -->
Shlama, Albion
P.S. Your very Blessed Jason, because for about two plus years, Peshitta.org was hacked to where NO OTHER members could join, but right around Thanksgiving Paul Younan (the board Owner) got it back up and running.
So now NEW people can actually join Peshitta.org once again!
I'm disabled and spend a lot of time online right now, because it's very cold and snowy here in Northern Iowa, where we live.
So consequently, I can answer posts pretty quickly.
First, I'm gonna answer your question about Neil Douglas Klotz.
He's a Sufi, NOT a Christian, or a Messianic Believer.
Sufi's are a sort of mystic branch of the Muslim religion.
Since Klotz writes like a pagan, I'm going to assume that he IS A PAGAN.
Klotz CLAIMS that he writes "The Lord's Prayer" in Aramaic.
That's simply a lie.
What Klotz writes is what HE BELIEVES the Lord's Prayer *should be*.
NOT what IT IS in Aramaic/Syriac.
Paganism and Christianity DO NOT MIX.
Yeshua was a wandering Jewish Rabbi.
He was VERY 'Orthodox', in the sense of what that means today, and He was God's Son, and Our Savior.
He was an 'Chasid'. Look that up in a good Jewish dictionary.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article_cdo/aid/222872/jewish/What-is-a-Chassid.htm">http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article_ ... hassid.htm</a><!-- m -->
(This article mentions Kabbalah, and Yeshua definately WAS NOT into the Kabbalah!)
I can't think of an equal English language equivalent at the moment.
Let me discuss George M. Lamsa.
Lamsa came out of the ancient Assyrian Church of the East, and he spoke Syriac, but his views from around the 1940's forward, were polluted by The Unity School of Christianity, and what then was called 'Science of the Mind'.
We would call it 'New Age' beliefs today.
For example, Lamsa changed a lot of the New Testament to reflect HIS VIEWS that demons were merely mental illness.
That's NOT what Eshoo/Yeshua believed, nor is it how He lived.
He frequently cast demons out of people.
I realize that you just ordered George Lamsa's translation, but if it was ME, I'd avoid it.
Victor Alexander is also a member of the Assyrian Church of the East but his translation has problems of it's own, just as Lamsa's does.
I'll SOMETIMES use Victor's translation as a supplement, but it's also unreliable as one's main Bible (or New Testament).
You asked how the P'shitta NT is different than English translations from the Greek (NIV, NKJV, etc., etc.).
As Dave Bauscher says "The Peshitta is only about 1% percent different, but it's A BIG 1%!".
The Syriac P'shitta has rhyme and poetry and a lot of word plays, and we miss ALL of that in a Greek to English translation.
The "roots" of The Assyrian Church of the East are Jewish and so the P'shitta NT is also a profoundly Jewish book.
I would really encourage you to research the Assyrian Church of the East, that's how I first came to the P'shitta NT, long ago back in the 1980's.
You can look at Paul Younan's Peshitta translation right here at Peshitta.org
and see how very different it is from Neil Douglas Klotz' 'The Lords Prayer'.
Just avoid Klotz' works all together, they are pagan, as I said before.
I'm sure that you'll have many many more questions as you read this. There are many fine Syriac scholars here who know A LOT MORE than do I, but if you have questions that I can answer, I'll be glad to try to give it a shot.
Here's a GREAT sung version of 'The Lord's Prayer' in Syriac:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAEIrp4MFBE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAEIrp4MFBE</a><!-- m -->
Shlama, Albion
P.S. Your very Blessed Jason, because for about two plus years, Peshitta.org was hacked to where NO OTHER members could join, but right around Thanksgiving Paul Younan (the board Owner) got it back up and running.
So now NEW people can actually join Peshitta.org once again!