01-26-2008, 08:26 PM
shlom lokh oH Dave,
My Church is in union with the Church of Rome, and as such we are compelled by the Church councils.
Also our Church has suffered from deliberate Latinization, and now Arabisation which are causing new members of the Church hierarchy to forget the old Traditions and come up with interesting new Traditions. Ex: The new lectionary of 2005 includes the woman caught in adultery.
Prior to mid 1500's, those books (western 5) weren't part of the Maronite Lectionary, but from the mid 1500's onwards they started appearing in non-official versions of the Lectionary, especially after the Council of Trent. And it was made even worse by the 1736 Maronite Synod established by Rome where Latinization was made official. This forced Latinization stayed in effect until the 2nd Vatican Council, where we were told to restore our Original Tradition; but the Latinizers which have also become the Arabist are still pushing the old agenda with an Arabic twist. As such the current Tradition of the Maronite Church on scriptures differs from the original one (AKA a work in progress between traditionalist and latin-arabist. I hope that the Syriac traditionalists prevail.)
According to the original Tradtion of the Maronite Church the scripture was only read in Syriac (in reality hymned), and if there were members of the community that didn't understand Syriac, then a direct translation of the Syriac Text would be made into that language.
Church regulations still mandate this, but only a few Maronite religious communities still do it.
Please hear the following Maronite Celebration of the Qurbono to see what I mean:
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(Although in this one I don't think the priest did a live translation of the Peshitto, but the Syriac is hymned and an Arabic translation is offered)
Also the Maronites use to have 6 readings stretching from the OT to the NT, during the celebration of the Qurbono, which aren't present anymore. One of my projects is to find these manuscripts, if anyone knows where I can find them please let me know (I currently only have one manuscript, and it covers only a small portion of the combined Lectionary.)
Here are some statistics (These are only the letters/act statistics, and they represent the amount of readings from these books):
(During this period and prior, the Peshitto was divided into text blocks with in a book and not in chapters/passages with in a book as is the practice now)
-Prior to the mid-1500's here are the books that were part of the Lectionary (Block Divisions only, although Sub-Blocks we used but not marked in that time period; i.e. they are not marked in this lectionary):
Romans (27), I Corinthians (27), II Corinthians (19), Galatians (10), Ephesians (11), Philippians (7), Colossians (7), I Thessalonians (6), II Thessalonians (1), I Timothy (6), II Timothy (5), Titus (2), Philemon (1), Hebrews (22), Acts (69), James (6), I Peter (7), and I John (5).
At the end of Acts, we don't have Acts 28:29 - I found it by coincidence.
-The 1993 Lectionary (Block Divisions+ Sub-Block Divisions):
Romans (38), I Corinthians (55), II Corinthians (40), Galatians (22), Ephesians (22), Philippians (15), Colossians (7), I Thessalonians (17), II Thessalonians (7), I Timothy(14), II Timothy (8), Titus (4), Philemon (1 - the whole letter), Hebrews (45), Acts (56), James (12), I Peter (12), II Peter (6), I John (18), II John (2 - whole letter), III John (2 - whole letter), Jude (2), and Revelation (24).
push bashlomo,
keefa-morun
gbausc Wrote:Shlomo oh Abudar,
The Western 5 books were not part of the Peshitto mss. either, yet your church includes them as part of the canon.
Why is that?
Dave
My Church is in union with the Church of Rome, and as such we are compelled by the Church councils.
Also our Church has suffered from deliberate Latinization, and now Arabisation which are causing new members of the Church hierarchy to forget the old Traditions and come up with interesting new Traditions. Ex: The new lectionary of 2005 includes the woman caught in adultery.
Prior to mid 1500's, those books (western 5) weren't part of the Maronite Lectionary, but from the mid 1500's onwards they started appearing in non-official versions of the Lectionary, especially after the Council of Trent. And it was made even worse by the 1736 Maronite Synod established by Rome where Latinization was made official. This forced Latinization stayed in effect until the 2nd Vatican Council, where we were told to restore our Original Tradition; but the Latinizers which have also become the Arabist are still pushing the old agenda with an Arabic twist. As such the current Tradition of the Maronite Church on scriptures differs from the original one (AKA a work in progress between traditionalist and latin-arabist. I hope that the Syriac traditionalists prevail.)
According to the original Tradtion of the Maronite Church the scripture was only read in Syriac (in reality hymned), and if there were members of the community that didn't understand Syriac, then a direct translation of the Syriac Text would be made into that language.
Church regulations still mandate this, but only a few Maronite religious communities still do it.
Please hear the following Maronite Celebration of the Qurbono to see what I mean:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfFm888Zfg&feature=PlayList&p=E13D60C70BBFEC9B&index=0&playnext=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfFm888 ... playnext=1</a><!-- m -->
(Although in this one I don't think the priest did a live translation of the Peshitto, but the Syriac is hymned and an Arabic translation is offered)
Also the Maronites use to have 6 readings stretching from the OT to the NT, during the celebration of the Qurbono, which aren't present anymore. One of my projects is to find these manuscripts, if anyone knows where I can find them please let me know (I currently only have one manuscript, and it covers only a small portion of the combined Lectionary.)
Here are some statistics (These are only the letters/act statistics, and they represent the amount of readings from these books):
(During this period and prior, the Peshitto was divided into text blocks with in a book and not in chapters/passages with in a book as is the practice now)
-Prior to the mid-1500's here are the books that were part of the Lectionary (Block Divisions only, although Sub-Blocks we used but not marked in that time period; i.e. they are not marked in this lectionary):
Romans (27), I Corinthians (27), II Corinthians (19), Galatians (10), Ephesians (11), Philippians (7), Colossians (7), I Thessalonians (6), II Thessalonians (1), I Timothy (6), II Timothy (5), Titus (2), Philemon (1), Hebrews (22), Acts (69), James (6), I Peter (7), and I John (5).
At the end of Acts, we don't have Acts 28:29 - I found it by coincidence.
-The 1993 Lectionary (Block Divisions+ Sub-Block Divisions):
Romans (38), I Corinthians (55), II Corinthians (40), Galatians (22), Ephesians (22), Philippians (15), Colossians (7), I Thessalonians (17), II Thessalonians (7), I Timothy(14), II Timothy (8), Titus (4), Philemon (1 - the whole letter), Hebrews (45), Acts (56), James (12), I Peter (12), II Peter (6), I John (18), II John (2 - whole letter), III John (2 - whole letter), Jude (2), and Revelation (24).
push bashlomo,
keefa-morun