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John 19:19 (YHWH?)
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Shlama Akhay,

Very interesting discussion, but I cannot see Pilate writing Hebrew on a cross. It was the language of Jewish liturgy, not the language of Roman administration, government or commerce. If he had put anything Hebrew on the cross, the outrage would have been 100 times greater than it was, not merely for what it said,
but for the presumption of the pagan Roman Governor using the sacred Hebrew tongue, and for defiling it by applying it in public to a cross of a criminal whom Israel's leadership had condemned as a false Messiah and blasphemer. Pilate may have been a monster, as Josephus seems to have indicated, but he certainly was not stupid. I doubt Pilate's men knew Hebrew, regardless. I also doubt any Jew would have used Hebrew in that way.

The Peshitta uses"Hebraith" in John 19, just as in the 9 other places where it occurs in John & Acts. In John, it refers to the Southern Judean Aramaic dialect, as opposed to the Northern dialect, as Paul Younan has brilliantly pointed out several times.

Finally, to make this a YHWH acrostic, the letter "Waw" has been conveniently inserted before "Malka" . There is no Waw in The Peshitta text and no "kai" ("and") in the Greek mss. before "o Basileus"-"the King", so this "acrostic" is just wishful thinking.

Andrew, what evidence is there that John transliterated Hebrew in the Peshitta verse you quote? Only one of the five words on the tablet inscription is the same
in Hebrew. That is not transliteration.

"Gabbatha" and "Golgotha-Gagultha" are Aramaic words, not Hebrew. "Rabbouli" is Aramaic, "Bethesda" is Aramaic. All these words are described as "Hebraith" in The Peshitta, demonstrating that the word refers to a dialect of Aramaic in the NT books.


Shlama l'kown,

Dave
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John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by distazo - 12-02-2007, 04:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by gbausc - 12-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-12-2007, 03:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 04:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 05:03 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 05:30 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 08:59 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 09:04 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:09 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-15-2007, 01:25 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-15-2007, 02:47 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 02:48 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 02:49 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-15-2007, 03:40 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 07:19 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-15-2007, 03:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-15-2007, 06:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 02:23 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 03:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 04:05 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 04:49 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 05:51 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Karl - 12-17-2007, 06:20 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 07:21 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 09:45 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 10:52 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 12:22 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-18-2007, 05:47 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-18-2007, 05:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 12:31 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Karl - 12-19-2007, 01:42 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:55 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:58 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 04:27 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:38 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:48 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 02:26 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 02:38 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 12:24 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 03:38 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 07:11 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 07:49 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-20-2007, 08:19 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by gbausc - 12-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:38 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:39 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:03 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:06 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:35 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 10:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 11:36 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-21-2007, 03:39 AM
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