03-31-2013, 08:57 PM
Hi Chuck,
sorry you are wrong, if you study the Church Fathers, you will see that all the first Christians in the early times where called "Ebionites" (the Poor!) Some Church Fathers reported, that they had members of Yeshua's Familie in their lines, Heretics?
Keep in mind that most informations we have about the first Christians are coming from their anti-jewish Enemies!
The winner writes the History!
Have a look on this please:
Looking back on the doctrinal development of what is termed the sub-apostolic age, the Jewish Christian historian Hegesippus wrote regretfully:
The Church continued until then as a pure and uncorrupt virgin; whilst if there were any at
all that attempted to pervert the sound doctrine of the saving gospel, they were yet skulking
in dark retreats; but when the sacred choir of apostles became extinct, and the generation of
those that had been privileged to hear their inspired wisdom had passed away, then also the
combinations of impious error arose by the fraud and delusions of false teachers. These also,
as there were none of the apostles left, henceforth attempted, without shame, to preach their
false doctrine against the true Gospel.
Sorry but you use the same arguments like some RK Church Fathers calling the first Christians "Heretics"!
As you can see Hegesippus does not agree with you!
I think it makes not much sense to continue this, because you are not open minded and do not respect others pov!
Peace be with you.
Michael
sorry you are wrong, if you study the Church Fathers, you will see that all the first Christians in the early times where called "Ebionites" (the Poor!) Some Church Fathers reported, that they had members of Yeshua's Familie in their lines, Heretics?
Keep in mind that most informations we have about the first Christians are coming from their anti-jewish Enemies!
The winner writes the History!
Have a look on this please:
Looking back on the doctrinal development of what is termed the sub-apostolic age, the Jewish Christian historian Hegesippus wrote regretfully:
The Church continued until then as a pure and uncorrupt virgin; whilst if there were any at
all that attempted to pervert the sound doctrine of the saving gospel, they were yet skulking
in dark retreats; but when the sacred choir of apostles became extinct, and the generation of
those that had been privileged to hear their inspired wisdom had passed away, then also the
combinations of impious error arose by the fraud and delusions of false teachers. These also,
as there were none of the apostles left, henceforth attempted, without shame, to preach their
false doctrine against the true Gospel.
Sorry but you use the same arguments like some RK Church Fathers calling the first Christians "Heretics"!
As you can see Hegesippus does not agree with you!
I think it makes not much sense to continue this, because you are not open minded and do not respect others pov!
Peace be with you.
Michael