03-30-2013, 10:05 PM
Thirdwoe Wrote:Quote:Hi Chuck,
in 1Tim. 2:5, the Peshitta reads: For there is one God, and one mediator between
God and men, the man Jesus Christ
That is so very clear, on one hand God and on the other hand the man Yeshua!
Nothing else is Shaul saying in 1 Corinthians:
Therefore I want you to understand that no man
speaking by the Spirit of God calls Yeshua accursed;
and that no man can say that Yeshua is the LORD but
by the Holy Spirit.
Yeshua is our Lord (Master) not our God!
Mic,
Have you looked at 1 Corinthians 12:3 in The Aramaic Peshitta?
There is a word in Aramaic which means only "Master"...and the word found in 1 Corinthians 12:3 is not it. Please go to Dukrhana.com and look up the verse and study that word and tell me what you find. I would love to discuss it with you.
And of course there is only One God, and One Man, who is the Mediator between God and Mankind. He is The Messiah, The Word of God, who is both with God, and is God at the same time (John 1:1)...He was made flesh at the appointed time, for our salvation.
The Church of the East understands this rightly. That in Christ, there are 2 natures, one Divine and one Human, The Messiah is both, in one Person. He is both God, as to His divinity (Divine Nature), and Man as to His Humanity (Human Nature). He is thus 100% God and 100% Man, in ONE Person, The Father and The Son, Eternally United in The Holy Spirit, through which, they are dwelling in and present with/in their Temple...The People of YHWH.
Shlama,
Chuck
Hi Chuck,
What is ?MarYah??
It is believed by many that the Aramaic word "marya" used in place of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) throughout the Tanakh (Old Testament) is better understood as ?MarYah?. It is said that this is a contraction of two words; ?Mar? ? Aramaic for ?Lord? or ?Master? and ?Yah? ? the short form of the divine name ?YHWH? or ?Yahweh?.
The actual Aramaic word is spelled Mem Resh Yodh Alap (mrya). None of the letters are capitalized in the Aramaic text known as the Peshitta Tanakh or Syriac Old Testament. Therefore, to write the word as ?MarYah? as opposed to ?marya? is misleading. It is reading one?s theology into the word and then teaching that theology to unsuspecting readers.
It is also believed by many that, since the word ?marya? was used in the Peshitta New Testament in reference to Messiah Yahshua, it means Yahshua is Yahweh (MarYah). That is the result of mistakenly understanding ?marya? to mean the divine name YHWH as opposed to it being a title meaning ?Lord? or ?Master?.
A point often stressed by MarYah proponents is that since ?marya? was used to replace the Tetragrammaton in almost 7,000 instances in the Old Testament that means it must mean ?YHWH?. However, the word ?Kurios? was consistently used throughout the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) to replace ?YHWH?. Does that make ?Kurios? mean ?YHWH?? No. ?Kurios? is simply a Greek word meaning ?Lord? that was used as a substitute for ?YHWH?.
Your favorite verse of ?MarYah? proponents is 1 Cor 12:3.
(Peshitta)
"I therefore inform you, that there is no man, that speaketh by the Spirit of God, who saith that Jesus is accursed: neither can a man say that Jesus is the Lord [marya], except by the Holy Spirit." (Murdock translation)
"Therefore I want you to understand that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed; and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord [marya], but by the Holy Spirit. (Lamsa translation)
?MarYah? proponents like you read this verse as:
?Therefore, I want you to understand that no one, speaking by the Spirit of God, calls Yeshua accursed: and that no man can say that Yeshua is MarYah (Lord Yah=YHVH), but by the Holy Spirit.? 1
Notice that neither Murdock nor Lamsa nor Magiera used ?MarYah?, ?Lord Yah? or ?YHVH/YHWH? in their translations.
Chuck there is much more about this and why Yeshua = MarYa is wrong, i can make a much longer list if you really want!
Kind regards
Michael