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Marya Yeshua - YHWH YHWH Saves???
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distazo Wrote:
mickoy Wrote:Yeshua called YHVH his God! Nowhere he called him self the second person of the Trinity and the first Christians called ?Nazarens? were jews, a Trinity of God (3 persons) for them does not exist!

May the peace of Yeshua be with you!
Michael
Hi Michael,

Just one addition, I would rather say: "He called the God his God, or the Father, who was greater than he was." It's not trinity teaching to say that Messiah = YHWH.

Also Hebrews 2:7 witnesses that Yeshu' became less than angels. So if he said: "The father is greater than I" there is no contradiction.

However, Philippians 2:9 tells us that after the resurrection, his position became the greatest in universe. It is the father who appointed him to that position and he got the name (HaShem/ Shema) which is above all names. You cannot give a reputation to someone, (since 'name' also can mean reputation) but it is THE name, YHWH, which is the greatest name there is!


This still does not contradict the unitity, or oneness of the Father and the Son. They are ONE like husband and woman are ONE when united in a marriage. ONE does not mean 'one person' but ONE unit.

Wishing you blessings as well.

Hi Chuck,
I like to invite you to have a look on this:

The Gospel of JOHN chapter 1, quote from:

Enlightenment From The Aramaic
Selected Passages
F r o m The Khabouris Manuscript (eastern Peshitta text)
An Ancient Text Of the Syriac New Testament

Translated direct into English from the ancient Aramaic with particular
and painstaking fidelity to the preservation of the thought
patterns, images, and concepts peculiar to Aramaic, the native language
of Jesus of Nazareth, and the language in which He delivered
His teachings to the world.

Chapter 1
1. At the very beginning (brashest) there was willed action
(milta), and the willed action (milta) then was by God (Alaha),
and God was that willed action (milta).

2. This beginning (brashest) was by God. <have a look at 1 Genesis!!>

3. All was by Him and without Him not a single thing came
into being out of that which was.

4. From Him there came into being a perfect life (khayi) and
this perfect life (khayi) >the Messiah> became light (nohra) unto all men.

5. And this light (nohra) out of darkness caused light, (manhar)
and darkness did not overcome.

6. There was a man who was sent from God; his name was
John. <keep in mind John is named, but not Yeshua! Why? Because John speaks about the concept of the Messiah!>

7. This one came as a witness who would testify about the light
(nohra) which every man would believe (mhemnin) through him.

8. He was not this light (nohra) but was to testify about the
light (nohra).

9. For He was to be the light (nohra) of complete truth
(dashara) to cause light for every man coming into the world.

10. In the world He was, and the world was by His hand, and
the world did not know Him (yadi).

11. To His own He came, <the son of man> and His own <men> did not accept Him.

12. Now to those that accepted Him He gave power (sholtana);
they will be of the children of God; those that wholly trust in His
teachings (shmi).

13. Unto them it came not from blood (dima), not from the will
(sibyana) of the flesh, and not from the will (sibyana) of man, but
from God it came to them.

14. And willed action (milta) became flesh >the Messiah> and dwelt (agan)
among us, and we saw glory as if begotten from the Father, completely
filled (damali) with heavenliness (teyboota) and righteousness
(koshta).

15. John testified of Him, speaking about and saying. "This is the
true one (hanav), He who, it was said, would come after me, but He
is the same who was before me, because He was before me.

16. From His fullness (maloti) we all partook, and heavenliness
(teyboota) stood for (khlop) heavenliness (teyboota).

17. "While the law (namosa) was given through Moses,
absolute truth (shrara) and heavenliness (teyboota) came through
Jesus, the Anointed.

18. Man did not understand (khaze) God during all time. The
begotten of God <the Messiah>, He who was in the embrace of His Father, He has
explained Him."

Yeshua is not mentioned by name here, John is mentioned by name! For me it is very clear, that John had the jewish concept of the Messiah in mind! The concept of the Messiah was preexistend in the mind of Alaha! Not the son of man Yeshua! <look in the Tanakh for Alaha's concept of the Messiah!>

William Barclay: A Spiritual Autobiography. Here?s how he puts it:
?So then for me the supreme truth of Christianity is that in Jesus I see God. When I see Jesus feeding the hungry, comforting the sorrowing, befriending men and women with whom no one else would have anything to do, I can say: ?This is God.?
It is not that Jesus is God. Time and time again the Fourth Gospel speaks of God sending Jesus into the world. Time and time again we see Jesus praying to God. Time and time again we see Jesus unhesitatingly and unquestioningly and unconditionally accepting the will of God for himself. Nowhere does the New Testament identify Jesus and God. Jesus did not say: ?He who has seen me has seen God.? He said: ?He who has seen me has seen the Father.? These are attributes of God I do not see in Jesus. I do not see God?s omniscience in Jesus, for there are things which Jesus did not know. I do not see God?s omnipotence in Jesus for there are things which Jesus could not do. I do not see God?s omnipresence in Jesus, for in his days on earth Jesus could only be in one place at any given time, and once and for all revealed and demonstrated, the attitude of God to men, the attitude of God to me. In Jesus there is the full revelation of the mind and heart of God. And what a difference it means to know that God is like that!?

Do you want to go further? Please show me where here is written that Yeshua is God (Alaha)!
Kind regards
Michael
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