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Marya Yeshua - YHWH YHWH Saves???
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I think you are saying, that in order for the shortened form of the divine name to be present, it has to be YH and both have to have been introduced into the word together at the same time. Is that correct?

The Texas RAT Wrote:
ScorpioSniper2 Wrote:"Yeshua" and "Yehoshua" are two different forms of the same name, both mean "YHWH Salvation".
I 100% agree with you that "Yeshua" and "Yehoshua" are two different forms of the exact same name (just as Jesus/Joshua/Eeshu/ Ishu/etc.. are also forms of this very name). There are also many more forms that have been transliterated into other language of the original Hebrew name as well. And yes they all carry the same definition due to the FACT that transliterations always carry over the definition of the original language.

Yehoshua is an English transliteration of the original Hebrew name, Yeshua is an English transliteration of the Aramaic transliteration of the original Hebrew name. Iesous is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic transliteration of the original Hebrew name. And Jesus is an English transliteration of the Greek transliteration of the Aramaic transliteration of the original Hebrew name. Although a transliteration is supposed to be used to carry the original sound of a word from one language to another they have been known to not do this very well. Especially as time goes by and a living language goes through a change and the common people of late do not know the past pronunciations intended by the older transliterations. One well known example of this is the transliteration Jesus. While it was a transliteration to re-pronounce correctly the Greek form (EE-ay-sus) of the name with three syllables, it later on (after a change in the English language was made [i.e.- the J sound]) was mispronounced by marginally literate English commoners as "JEE-zuhs" with only two syllables. So now this English form of the name by unknowing English speaking people is being pronounced in a way that it is 100% different sounding than it was originally intended to be.

With all that said Hebrew was the original language that this name is from, and no it does not mean "YHWH Salvation" - much less "YHWH anything else". The Hebrew name of Yehoshua only appears to have the Trigrammaton prefixed to it, same as with the name Yehudah[Judah] as it simply means "celebrated" - not "YHWH celebrated", as Yehoshua simply means "he will save".

Again just because their is a Yodh and Heh present within these names does not mean that it is the Short Form of the Divine Name! There are many other Hebrew word that have a Yodh and a Heh also which do not carry the Short Form of the Divine Name. Again it was not until the early 1930s that anyone ever though to contrive that the names Yehoshuah and Yehudah had the Short Form of the Divine Name present, and it was people within the Sacred Names Movement that did this.

Now there is nothing wrong with wanting to speak the Divine Name of our Heavenly Father and His only begotten Son's Name properly - until one's desire to recognize the existences of the Divine Name begins to override linguistic facts within the Hebrew language. This normally happens with people that are wanting to recognized and praise the Divine Name but yet have very little if any Hebrew Linguistic knowledge. And once people have bought into the idea that The Anointed One's Name has the Short Form of the Divine Name within it they then have a tendency to throw out all common sense once others try to share the historical facts of this name.

On this last note every one that has studied up on Hoshayah's name change agrees that the name Yehoshua[Joshua/Jesus] was originally Hoshayah[Hosea], and that it had the Heh and Waw before Moshay[Moses] simply added the Yodh to the beginning of it so as to change the definition of "he saved" (past tense) unto a future tense of "he will save". Moshay change the inflection from past tense to future tense only, he did not add the Short Form of the Divine name unto it -period.

ScorpioSniper, I know that it is a lot of information I posted above and it may seem new stuff, yet it is not new - it is the truth of this name. And I encourage you to reread what I posted above until you can see that If Hoshayah did not have the Short Form of the Divine Name then just adding a single Yohd by itself would not and could not change the nature of the heh (which was and still is to denote the Male existence of one that had did the act of saving), and the waw was the yohd from the root of yasha (salvation).

Yasha is the noun form of the word salvation, and it was used in its verb form by Hoshayah's parents when they added the Heh to the front of the verb tense of this word to form their son's name. By doing this, according to the Hebrew rules of grammar and ussages, the Yohd of yasha got morphed into a Waw (Hoshayah/Hosea). And being it is not allowed in the Hebrew rules of grammar to reappropriate part of one root to form anther there is no way that the Waw in this name can become part of the Trigrammaton. Nor can the Heh (which denotes a male being one doing the action) become part of the Short Form of the Divine Name here either.

Again the Heh can not be robbed from its original intent, of simply denoting that it is a male doing the defined action, and the Waw can not be robbed from the root word of salvation, without destroying/loosing the root in the name. By doing such as claiming the Short Form of the Divine Name is present within this name, one effectively destroys the root of salvation. The name then have nothing to do with salvation because there is no presence of the root for salvation left.

I will try to show this in a simpler way here:
1) CAPITAL LETTERS=future tense
2) bolden letter=male doing the action of the verb
3) underlined letters=verb/the action word
YEhoshua
So the Yohd is simply at the beginning of this name to denote a future tense of the verb, the Heh is their to denote that it is a male figure doing the action, and oshua is the verb that is being denoted as in a future sense of a male doing it. The part oshua resembles the name Oshea (Num 13:8) nearly 100%, the only difference is the tense of past verse present. Oh by the way Oshea is the same as Hoshayah[Hosea], it was just that another translator transliterated it the way he saw fit while others saw fit to transliterate this name as Hosea, just as Strong and I see fit to transliterate it as Hoshayah (see Strong's H#1954).

And remember that no matter who or how many times a word/name is transliterated into other languages they are all to be pronounced as the original language had. So Yehoshua/Yeshua/Jeshua/Jehoshua/Iesous/Jesus/Ishu/etc.. should, by people seeking to do so truthfully, be pronounced the same way - that being Ye-hoe-shoe-ah. And they all carry the original meaning as well of "he will save".


"All truth passes through three stages.?
First, it is ridiculed,
second it is violently opposed,
and third it is accepted as self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James

The TRUTH is stranger than fiction
only because we have been indoctrinated with a lie.

And:?

When a man or woman is honestly mistaken and hears the truth,
they will either quit being mistaken, or they will cease to be honest.

So keep in mind:
wisdom never lies inked to the pages coddled by a book
but rather at rest supply about the inside of open minds?
that render the confounds thereof.
-- TheTexasR.A.T. 2000AD --

Seek And Ye Shall Find
Yea Unto Therefore?
Read The Word of YHWH Ore And Ore ...Extolling Ever Again?
To Thine Be The Splendor
Hallelu-Yah, Awmayn[Strong?s H#543]

May,
YHWH bless thee and keep thee;
YHWH cause His face to shine on thee, and be gracious to thee;
YHWH lift up His face to thee, and give thee shalom.

Your Brother in Yehoshuah The Anointed One.

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[No subject] - by trettep - 07-17-2005, 10:36 AM
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Re: Marya Yeshua - YHWH YHWH Saves??? - by Sarah - 02-18-2013, 03:44 PM
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