Acts 2:24 Redux

[Dave]

Relax Dan, you are looking at one who really doesn't care about culture simply because God doesn't care about it either. So, the wording of "Western" has nothing to do with my location or my decent.

I mean really buddy, you have no idea of just how much your talking to a brick wall when it comes to culture and ethnic stuff with me. I could care the least little bit about either simply because it has nothing to do with Chrisitanity, and those who trumpet their heritage and background as something important in front of people are not right within themselves.

What is the "Western text" that you have been trumpeting about lately? Do you have any clue? Don't Google for answer.

Heh, what do you mean don't google for answer? What? I have a computer and now I cannot use that to formulate conclusions? Come on.

Here is a site that may help:

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In addition to those listed, here are some fragments:

P29 - This is a 3rd century fragment in the Oxford Bodl. Library containing Acts 26:7-8, 20

P38 - This is a 3rd century fragment at the University of Michigan containing Acts 18:27-19:6, 12-16

P45 - This is the well known 3rd century ???Chester Beatty I??? Papyri containing several fragments from the Four Gospels and Acts.

P48 - This 3rd century fragment contains Acts 23:11-17, 25-29.

P52 - This is the famous ???John Rylands??? Fragment??? containing John 18:31-33, 37-38. This fragment dates to about 130 C.E. and is the oldest known fragment of any portion of the New Testament. This fragment follows the Western Text against the traditional Greek text.

And there are others besides the ancient witness's such as Sinaiticus, that the first 8 chapters in John are from the western text.

Western is just a name some scholars labeled onto it to denote the family, for their reasons. I there is a sort of symbology behind it, I am completely oblivious to the obvious on that, and don't really care one way or another.

If you cannot accept the Peshitta as the original, at least show some respect to the Greek New Testament. Your allegation about "standardization" by "evil" scribes shows no respect for the word of God. Try to copy the Greek New Testament yourself since you are a perfectionist. See whether you can copy it perfectly and correctly.

Well, I'm an equal opportunity condemner, so why would I put down the peshitta and not the greek standardized text if they both appear the same? Wouldn't I be way off base if I didn't? I assure you that Paul and others would be all over me in a heartbeat for a bias'd sort of outlook like that.

Look at the reasoning here Dan, how many bibles have been literally thrown at God's people by mankind in the last 15 to 20 years? I know over here in America the amount has been rediculous. What do they offer? The same standardized text that has been involved in the church for years, but now I should accept another standardized text from another language? And one that has some additional doctrinal issues tied up in it such as that "Father of Mary" issue in Matthew?

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Do you think that I will not work on this text, that I am just this person that gripes about the bible being incorrect? You would be wrong to assume that. Just because I have been directed to learn Hebrew doesn't mean that God will not want me learn other languages.

Look at my situation Dan; no kids, no wife, no alimony, my house is paid for, I will retire from the military service in another year, I will have a monthly retirement check, etc. It will just be me, my dog, my gun, and my truck. I should be in the position to spend time on such things wouldn't you think?

Although I have had to give up things that others would have not been able to, the payback is extreme from God for my obedience. But enough of that.

The variants in the Greek NT are mostly due to the errors of unintentional ommission and addition of the copyists. Many of the various readings of the Greek NT manuscripts can be explained by the Aramaic primacy of the Peshitta.

Of course that is where I differ in opinion here than you and the others on here, as you have seen from me.


God knows what texts are from the originals, and how they go together, I just got to pay attention to Him rather than just man in this issue. And that is another issue that God could care less about either, tradition, but let's not open that can of worms here.